howfin Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Just to add to this, I applied to William Hill a few months ago. It was advertised as a full time position but they offered me 8 hours a week. After talking to some people in the shop most there were only on 8/16hours max a week. Ill assume thats the case for most staff at these branches, thus, any payout will be negligible for most. Basically means a lot of staff will be in horrible situations for a while until they can find employment. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chair Slots Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 It still gobsmacks me how online has constantly slipped under the radar for so long. There everyone is up in arms about being able to do £100 spins in your local high street, and yet you can literally do a £20,000 spin on your mobile phone. Why is this? Why has it slipped under the radar? Is it lack of government control because of where these sites are based? Surely the UKGC could do something regarding a stake cap for online play. They have clout, and have used it against online operators a lot recently. Is it because they can't get the evidence together of suicide rates etc like they did for the FOBTs? Just amazes me, it really does. It's like putting down your poodle for shitting on your carpet whilst your Rotweiler is biting chunks out of your kid's leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howfin Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chair Slots said: It still gobsmacks me how online has constantly slipped under the radar for so long. There everyone is up in arms about being able to do £100 spins in your local high street, and yet you can literally do a £20,000 spin on your mobile phone. Why is this? Why has it slipped under the radar? Is it lack of government control because of where these sites are based? Surely the UKGC could do something regarding a stake cap for online play. They have clout, and have used it against online operators a lot recently. Is it because they can't get the evidence together of suicide rates etc like they did for the FOBTs? Just amazes me, it really does. It's like putting down your poodle for shitting on your carpet whilst your Rotweiler is biting chunks out of your kid's leg. I agree, though most things online these days are highly unregulated. Of course its all about the money at the end of the day, though most things gambling related lag behind for years before they are changed. There has been a lot of good changes such as the IDVs before deposting and such so hopefully this wont be the case forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 36 minutes ago, Chair Slots said: It still gobsmacks me how online has constantly slipped under the radar for so long. There everyone is up in arms about being able to do £100 spins in your local high street, and yet you can literally do a £20,000 spin on your mobile phone. Why is this? Why has it slipped under the radar? Is it lack of government control because of where these sites are based? Surely the UKGC could do something regarding a stake cap for online play. They have clout, and have used it against online operators a lot recently. Is it because they can't get the evidence together of suicide rates etc like they did for the FOBTs? Just amazes me, it really does. It's like putting down your poodle for shitting on your carpet whilst your Rotweiler is biting chunks out of your kid's leg. Its bound to change, more a matter of when, not if. I have heard some speculation that they are looking at increasing the tax levy for non-Gibraltar/Isle of Man offshore casinos post Brexit. But I'd imagine its more likely that they will all just be hit in a full reform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, howfin said: I agree, though most things online these days are highly unregulated. Of course its all about the money at the end of the day, though most things gambling related lag behind for years before they are changed. There has been a lot of good changes such as the IDVs before deposting and such so hopefully this wont be the case forever. What we see now is the complete abrogation of purpose and responsibility by all big business to account for the massive theft and abuse of the individual. In all areas of society the price s too high , the margin too great ,the service too poor and the rewards too few. If all bookmakers closed and reopened up a betting cooperative we would all be better off. Online business has done for each individual exactly what offshore tax havens have done for the wealthy .....allowed us to be robbed blind and have no recourse or protection . No politician will act because the big bucks are not in the high street but in the uncharted waters of greed and power that is unaccountable and unregulated. Fortunately all this will come to an end n the next 6 months and we can begin again, as good people are empowered to take back control of our rights and needs under God. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howfin Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Solario333 said: What we see now is the complete abrogation of purpose and responsibility by all big business to account for the massive theft and abuse of the individual. In all areas of society the price s too high , the margin too great ,the service too poor and the rewards too few. If all bookmakers closed and reopened up a betting cooperative we would all be better off. Online business has done for each individual exactly what offshore tax havens have done for the wealthy .....allowed us to be robbed blind and have no recourse or protection . No politician will act because the big bucks are not in the high street but in the uncharted waters of greed and power that is unaccountable and unregulated. Fortunately all this will come to an end n the next 6 months and we can begin again, as good people are empowered to take back control of our rights and needs under God. Agreed and its not just the gambling world, even in the gaming world with things like loot boxes and micro transactions (though, i guess these could be seen as gambling too), everything, at the end of the day, comes down to how much money these multinational corps are making and no one will stop it until the PR is simply too bad to continue. Though, at that point, theres usually something else that has gone under the radar and will fleece people via some other method. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 I wasn't aware of this fact, but read fobts were introduced in1999 and the number of terminals in shops was about 33,500. Somebody with more knowledge than me may be able to work out how much they may have made over the years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller26 Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share Posted July 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, david1111 said: I wasn't aware of this fact, but read fobts were introduced in1999 and the number of terminals in shops was about 33,500. Somebody with more knowledge than me may be able to work out how much they may have made over the years They used to make on average 50k per terminal per year , so just one terminal over a 20 year period would of made 1 million pounds profit . Know you can see why they wanted to keep them mate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, david1111 said: I wasn't aware of this fact, but read fobts were introduced in1999 and the number of terminals in shops was about 33,500. Somebody with more knowledge than me may be able to work out how much they may have made over the years About 30 billion !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Solario333 said: About 30 billion !!!! Is that all! Obscene anyway. Legalised robbery 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, david1111 said: Is that all! Obscene anyway. Legalised robbery Its peanuts compared to the offshore funds stolen from us all over twenty years and hidden .....about 300 Trillion pounds......!!! This is the real scandal , Global dominance of the rich ,for the rich and against us all. And again as I have said many times ..... IT WILL ALL COME TO AN END THIS YEAR AND OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS ..... SO WATCH AND LEARN ABOUT WISDOM ..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chair Slots Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 hours ago, howfin said: I agree, though most things online these days are highly unregulated. Of course its all about the money at the end of the day, though most things gambling related lag behind for years before they are changed. There has been a lot of good changes such as the IDVs before deposting and such so hopefully this wont be the case forever. Online gambling isn't unregulated though - it's one of the most regulated industries online you could care to see. So why are the ridiculous stake limits being overlooked?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Solario333 said: Its peanuts compared to the offshore funds stolen from us all over twenty years and hidden .....about 300 Trillion pounds......!!! This is the real scandal , Global dominance of the rich ,for the rich and against us all. And again as I have said many times ..... IT WILL ALL COME TO AN END THIS YEAR AND OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS ..... SO WATCH AND LEARN ABOUT WISDOM ..... £300 Trillion?! Where are you getting this figure from my man! To put it into context the worlds top 10 countries GDP combined are only valued at around 50 trillion... (thats the US, China, Japan, Germany, UK etc etc all combined). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howfin Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chair Slots said: Online gambling isn't unregulated though - it's one of the most regulated industries online you could care to see. So why are the ridiculous stake limits being overlooked?? Regulated to an extent, I guess. As you say the stake limits are ridiculous. Not only that but how much you can deposit without anyone saying a word. Theres a long road the online world needs to go down before its safe for the majority of the population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Chair Slots said: Online gambling isn't unregulated though - it's one of the most regulated industries online you could care to see. So why are the ridiculous stake limits being overlooked?? In context it is still a new industry. So I would suspect that the regulation is still very much being fine tuned. However things like the stake being pretty much unlimited seems a glaring over sight. It feels that they took the template for physical casino's and applied it to online casino's, whereas realistically due to the accessibility of online casino's compared to physical casino's they should have the same regulation as arcades/adult gaming centres (or whatever they are called nowadays). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Denman said: £300 Trillion?! Where are you getting this figure from my man! To put it into context the worlds top 10 countries GDP combined are only valued at around 50 trillion... (thats the US, China, Japan, Germany, UK etc etc all combined). It is the sum currently vested in the top ten offshore banking centres that has been deposited over twenty years ...... dirty money ,off the books. Edited July 4, 2019 by Solario333 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Chair Slots said: It still gobsmacks me how online has constantly slipped under the radar for so long. There everyone is up in arms about being able to do £100 spins in your local high street, and yet you can literally do a £20,000 spin on your mobile phone. Why is this? Why has it slipped under the radar? Is it lack of government control because of where these sites are based? Surely the UKGC could do something regarding a stake cap for online play. They have clout, and have used it against online operators a lot recently. Is it because they can't get the evidence together of suicide rates etc like they did for the FOBTs? Just amazes me, it really does. It's like putting down your poodle for shitting on your carpet whilst your Rotweiler is biting chunks out of your kid's leg. I heard this argument from guys like John Mcririck when the government announced the FOBt £2 limit. Gamstop provides a one stop shop where you can remove yourself from online gambling completely within 24 hours. The self exclusion orders that the bookies had in place were laughable at best as excluded gamblers would freely continue to gamble in the shops that they had banned themselves from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, howfin said: I dont know whats worse tbh, betting shops or more fruit shops that will take over these premises. Sad about the job cuts anyway. Hope they can find employment soon. As Per the Job Cuts will only affect the staff at the very bottom The Top boys & girls are all safe, those faceless people with big titles, they mostly sit behind doors marked .........................PRIVATE Those people don't have one Bank Account and work the same hours as you an me, they have various Bank Accounts and work Part Time hours Edited July 4, 2019 by Bangers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, Bangers said: As Per the Job Cuts will only affect the staff at the very bottom The Top boys & girls are all safe, those faceless people with big titles, they mostly sit behind doors marked .........................PRIVATE Those people don't have one Bank Account and work the same hours as you an me, they have various Bank Accounts and work Part Time hours I don't think that is true. Friend in WH Management who told me about these cuts a month ago said it would extend throughout the whole retail department, including throughout management. I don't know how they are structured exactly, but if they are cutting a third of the shops, one would assume that a third of the cluster managers, area managers, regional managers and such would go too. In terms of highest management, directors and such, most companies the size of William Hill would likely only have a singular director of retail, then perhaps below that director I would guess that they perhaps have a singular Head of Retail North and a singular Head of Retail South, perhaps as logistically speaking it may not make too much of a difference where such a person is situated the cuts may even extend to that level but without knowing their workload/responsibilities thats just theorising. Also certainly beyond a point in management, those people are likely to be offered alternative positions within the company as the redundancies would be too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Chair Slots said: It still gobsmacks me how online has constantly slipped under the radar for so long. There everyone is up in arms about being able to do £100 spins in your local high street, and yet you can literally do a £20,000 spin on your mobile phone. Why is this? Why has it slipped under the radar? Is it lack of government control because of where these sites are based? Surely the UKGC could do something regarding a stake cap for online play. They have clout, and have used it against online operators a lot recently. Is it because they can't get the evidence together of suicide rates etc like they did for the FOBTs? Just amazes me, it really does. It's like putting down your poodle for shitting on your carpet whilst your Rotweiler is biting chunks out of your kid's leg. A lot of backs gets rubbed mate simple as that Lots of cheeks get turned when big fast money is being made It's a very greedy world don't let anyone tell you different The millionaires are now BILLIONAIRES but they still want more 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chair Slots Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Bangers said: A lot of backs gets rubbed mate simple as that Lots of cheeks get turned when big fast money is being made It's a very greedy world don't let anyone tell you different The millionaires are now BILLIONAIRES but they still want more Yeah but a lot of backs were getting rubbed with the higher FOBT stakes too but that changed. Seems like they totally forgot about online when all that was going on which is silly when you consider the limits are 100's of times higher Edited July 4, 2019 by Chair Slots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chair Slots said: Yeah but a lot of backs were getting rubbed with the higher FOBT stakes too but that changed. Seems like they totally forgot about online when all that was going on which is silly when you consider the limits are 100's of times higher Said on here many times, all they've done is shuffle the deck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGamble Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Definitely a bit of Munchausen syndrome for anyone even attempting to feel 'something' for the bookies here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adz Adzy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 i'm waiting to see which stores are closing, those fobts had a big effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4houghts Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Just now, Adz Adzy said: i'm waiting to see which stores are closing, those fobts had a big effect Do you think they are using this as an excuse to lay of thousands of people because all along for years they wanting to close stores and focus on online gambling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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