philinvicta Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 43 minutes ago, Kinkerbells said: Thank you I normally just back my own but I like to hear other opinions x nr nb is sweet a lot of bookies aren’t doing that. Magic Daze is 28/1 NRNB with bet365 just 33/1 antepost with them so I would look to bet it there if you are going to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 @Kinkerbells have you watched Upping the Ante the Racing Post on youtube ? I am not to sure about David Jennings but gGavin Lynch certainly knows his stuff. Racing Uk also do a cheltenham series as well I think. Be wary of the preview nights I watch them for fun but most are likely to not tell you anything you do not already know and also they will not tell you what has a big chance in the handicaps. Most of them boys will put up Honeysuckle for the champion hurdle like they are doing you a favour ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleandries Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 58 minutes ago, philinvicta said: @Kinkerbells have you watched Upping the Ante the Racing Post on youtube ? I am not to sure about David Jennings but gGavin Lynch certainly knows his stuff. Racing Uk also do a cheltenham series as well I think. Be wary of the preview nights I watch them for fun but most are likely to not tell you anything you do not already know and also they will not tell you what has a big chance in the handicaps. Most of them boys will put up Honeysuckle for the champion hurdle like they are doing you a favour ! Isn't it unfair such a good mare like honey needs or gets -7lbs. In her last race that Elliot horse beginning with Z would have been away closer or beat her only for extra weight. I wouldn't want to back her for CH at her price , the likes of the Elliot horse EW will be a safer bet in case she does finally have a bad day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kinkerbells Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, philinvicta said: Magic Daze is 28/1 NRNB with bet365 just 33/1 antepost with them so I would look to bet it there if you are going to I’m banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinkerbells Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 41 minutes ago, Cleandries said: Isn't it unfair such a good mare like honey needs or gets -7lbs. In her last race that Elliot horse beginning with Z would have been away closer or beat her only for extra weight. I wouldn't want to back her for CH at her price , the likes of the Elliot horse EW will be a safer bet in case she does finally have a bad day. Honeysuckle will not get beat ! I would never back a horse at that price so will just enjoy the race . My horse for the whole meeting is shishkin I absolutely love this horse and will not look past anything other than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinkerbells Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, philinvicta said: @Kinkerbells have you watched Upping the Ante the Racing Post on youtube ? I am not to sure about David Jennings but gGavin Lynch certainly knows his stuff. Racing Uk also do a cheltenham series as well I think. Be wary of the preview nights I watch them for fun but most are likely to not tell you anything you do not already know and also they will not tell you what has a big chance in the handicaps. Most of them boys will put up Honeysuckle for the champion hurdle like they are doing you a favour ! There is like a zoom thingy on Twitter every Sunday till cheltenham where anyone can join and say what they fancy and then debate it . I really enjoyed yesterday’s . It doesn’t matter what others say or tip I’ll always back myself it’s just nice to hear other opinions and views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleandries Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 If Russia & NATO kick off then there be no Cheltenham. Hopefully Putin will wait till Cheltenham is over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Cleandries said: Isn't it unfair such a good mare like honey needs or gets -7lbs. In her last race that Elliot horse beginning with Z would have been away closer or beat her only for extra weight. I wouldn't want to back her for CH at her price , the likes of the Elliot horse EW will be a safer bet in case she does finally have a bad day. Maye this article answers your question re the Mare 7lb allowance https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/bloodstock-latest/if-the-7lb-allowance-for-mares-is-unfair-it-is-because-it-is-insufficient/537979 This suggests it should be more and Honeysuckle just benefits from being a top class mare against a very poor set of 2mile male hurdlers Edited February 15, 2022 by philinvicta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Cleandries said: If Russia & NATO kick off then there be no Cheltenham. Hopefully Putin will wait till Cheltenham is over All is good as Putins tanks are retreating, ole Blackos keeping a sharp eye on the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4houghts Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 hours ago, philinvicta said: Maye this article answers your question re the Mare 7lb allowance https://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock/bloodstock-latest/if-the-7lb-allowance-for-mares-is-unfair-it-is-because-it-is-insufficient/537979 This suggests it should be more and Honeysuckle just benefits from being a top class mare against a very poor set of 2mile male hurdlers In general maybe but when it comes to top class mares its completely unfair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, 4houghts said: In general maybe but when it comes to top class mares its completely unfair If you abolish it you do not get to see top class mares. The only reason there are more mares racing is that they have brought in a mares only series of races. Honeysuckle is the only mare that people are looking at there are very few top class mares over fences that are winning races even the one in the novice chases in Ireland Riviere D'Etel is not winning despite getting lots of weight. It would be a shame to reduce the racing population of mares due to one great mare . There have been good mares in the past such as Flakey Dove Solerina and Dawn Run who also would not have won without getting weight. Edited February 15, 2022 by philinvicta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4houghts Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 27 minutes ago, philinvicta said: If you abolish it you do not get to see top class mares. The only reason there are more mares racing is that they have brought in a mares only series of races. Honeysuckle is the only mare that people are looking at there are very few top class mares over fences that are winning races even the one in the novice chases in Ireland Riviere D'Etel is not winning despite getting lots of weight. It would be a shame to reduce the racing population of mares due to one great mare . There have been good mares in the past such as Flakey Dove Solerina and Dawn Run who also would not have won without getting weight. ''It would be a shame to reduce the racing population of mares due to one great mare . There have been good mares in the past such as Flakey Dove Solerina and Dawn Run who also would not have won without getting weight'' By your own definition your saying its not fair but a necessity to keep mares in racing, which is fair enough but doesn't make it a level playing field at all when it comes to top class mares No chance put the kettle on is winning them two cheltenham races without an allowance If I was an owner of nube negra getting beat half a lenght in a grade 1 race giving the winner 7 pounds it would be hard to see my horse as second best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 minute ago, 4houghts said: ''It would be a shame to reduce the racing population of mares due to one great mare . There have been good mares in the past such as Flakey Dove Solerina and Dawn Run who also would not have won without getting weight'' By your own definition your saying its not fair but a necessity to keep mares in racing, which is fair enough but doesn't make it a level playing field at all when it comes to top class mares No chance put the kettle on is winning them two cheltenham races without an allowance If I was an owner of nube negra getting beat half a lenght in a grade 1 race giving the winner 7 pounds it would be hard to see my horse as second best It is fair there have been very few mares winning top class races. Every time a mare comes along like Honeysuckle everybody bitches because she gets an allowance. The same thing happens on the flat but theses mares are very few and far between. It is the same when a good young horse comes along that gets allowances and starts to win because of the allowance, The piece from the racing post makes it clear that mares are generally 14lb worse than the geldings. If both geldings and mares had to to race off the same marks I think very few mares would run in the races at all . Remember Honeysuckle was only moved to the champion hurdle due to the poor level of runners in the champion hurdle even in this years race the official ratings of the entries is very low. Put The Kettle On and Nube Negra were also in a very poor Champion Chase compared to other renewals of the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4houghts Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, philinvicta said: It is fair there have been very few mares winning top class races. Every time a mare comes along like Honeysuckle everybody bitches because she gets an allowance. The same thing happens on the flat but theses mares are very few and far between. It is the same when a good young horse comes along that gets allowances and starts to win because of the allowance, If both geldings and mares had to to race off the same marks I think very few mares would run in the races at all . Remember Honeysuckle was only moved to the champion hurdle due to the poor level of runners in the champion hurdle even in this years race the official ratings of the entries is very low. Put The Kettle On and Nube Negra were also in a very poor Champion Chase compared to other renewals of the race. The piece from the racing post makes it clear that mares are generally 14lb worse than the geldings.'' Right but you still haven't explained how its fair? That's an average so when a top class mare does come along e.g annie power who would of won regardless of weight It makes the race a complete mockery All it does it give a slight hope for average mares and gives top class mares a complete advantage over the rest of the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinkerbells Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, 4houghts said: In general maybe but when it comes to top class mares its completely unfair He’s backkkkkkkkk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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philinvicta Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, 4houghts said: The piece from the racing post makes it clear that mares are generally 14lb worse than the geldings.'' Right but you still haven't explained how its fair? That's an average so when a top class mare does come along e.g annie power who would of won regardless of weight It makes the race a complete mockery All it does it give a slight hope for average mares and gives top class mares a complete advantage over the rest of the field. The analysis was only done on horses over a certain rating all others would be likely running in handicaps so it is not of any relevance. The mares only get allowances in top class races and this was brought in to correct a perceived imbalance and ironically the first to really benefit was Dawn Run. If you look at Greyhound racing where bitches and dogs run of level terms then only one or two have ever won the greyhound derby for instance. It also means that a lot of well bred bitches do not race or have very short careers as they are just sent to the breeding sheds. I do not see how you can say that if gives top class mares a huge advantage because over the years there have been very few Mares who have managed to win even with the allowance Edited February 15, 2022 by philinvicta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 48 minutes ago, Kinkerbells said: He’s backkkkkkkkk We all know you could do with an allowance of 7 inches 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseSi Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Alright folks ive been given good word about a horse for tommorow evening, ive been told last time out it was at 75% fitness & they are expecting it to win. they have said it will probably go off favourite. as always don’t shoot the messenger, im just passing the word on to you lot so hopefully we can all cash in if it wins also if anyone finds a price for it this morning can you let me know, on bet365 which i use it will be up tonight i think. 445 Southwell - Muhalhel 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleandries Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 42 minutes ago, ScouseSi said: Alright folks ive been given good word about a horse for tommorow evening, ive been told last time out it was at 75% fitness & they are expecting it to win. they have said it will probably go off favourite. as always don’t shoot the messenger, im just passing the word on to you lot so hopefully we can all cash in if it wins also if anyone finds a price for it this morning can you let me know, on bet365 which i use it will be up tonight i think. 445 Southwell - Muhalhel Billy Hills has it chalked up at 9/2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 6 hours ago, ScouseSi said: ive been given good word about a horse for tommorow evening My wallets feeling lighter already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, Blacko said: My wallets feeling lighter already Might be off with weather. Lingfield inspection in morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 26 minutes ago, david1111 said: Might be off with weather. Lingfield inspection in morning Guaranteed to be off mate, safety first!. We've just had horrendous wind up here yesterday, looks like its the South that's getting it tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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