MrUKHackz Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, dwa40 said: According to the Evolution yearly accounts there is no way in a million years can they make the money which in 2019 was around £150 million after all costs considered with all games ranging from 2%-6% edge with 24 hour worldwide play and frequency of play ranging from 40 bets to 700 bets an hour depending on game. It is projected in 2020 to be close to £300 million profit. For the profit margins to be met after costs of running a huge operation the games have to operate at least 15% edge which flies against what the games advertise at. You cannot make blind assumptions that a company cheat based on their profit for the year, in a word its absurd mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gkell727 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: You cannot make blind assumptions that a company cheat based on their profit for the year, in a word its absurd mate. Can’t fault the blokes research into it. When I lose a bet I just get passive aggressive with the wife. This guys devoted his life to a providers business transactions 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 5 hours ago, MrUKHackz said: @Solario333 @Bangers Lightning roulette is not a good example of live roulette as its auto wheel with patented electronic magnet technology! It's basically an RNG game, still random but not in the natural way of letting the ball bounce. It's not a game I play mate and I do know the pitfalls in ALL aspects of gambling, still amazes me that people feel the gambling world is squeaky clean and follow all the rules to the letter, gambling world / business for me is a very murky one and many things don't sit right with me. Just my opinion fella for what little it's worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 11 hours ago, Solario333 said: In a normal roulette spin the ball cannot act in this way .... the spin is manipulated here to avoid a winning number . So my deduction is that evolution roulette is not chance but like a slot machine ,lands on the number according to a programmed cycle which allows people to win a set percentage .... just like a slot . But clearly the word LIVE implies that the ball will drop according to chance .... not true . I have played this game and the ball has avoided my numbers for a few spins and then hit for a few spins and I am mostly losing .... Thanks for the detailed reply fella Much appreciated 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Gkell727 said: Can’t fault the blokes research into it. When I lose a bet I just get passive aggressive with the wife. This guys devoted his life to a providers business transactions Some of his points have been good so I say fair play to him or her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaLad Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I’m off to put my head in the fridge door and slam it on myself 500 times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbucks1983 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 7 hours ago, dwa40 said: Clear up a few things as some points are misconstrued. First affliation is a cost to the casino where a percentage of a gamblers loss is returned to the affiliate. If people sign up through a link it is money the casino isn't keeping in comparison to a non sign up player. It is added costs the same as advertising, taxes, wages, cost of running the games. (Know stating obvious here) Bottom line is if an affiliate is getting 10%, the gov 20% on average in tax, casino around 30% and running costs of 5-10% when is the gambler going to get paid. Hence shady games like roulette, crazy time and the like, blackjack on £5 tables where bots hit unusual plays to manipulate the pull card for the dealer. When I gambled I knew I was going to lose but when staking an average of £10-£15 don't expect to be tens of thousands down. Should I have stopped sooner? Definitely but as pointed before I went online from bookies, casinos and never expected such a run of loss and with lockdown blurring some choices I made. My logic especially first few months was its variance bad luck etc. But it was relentless dealer pulling 20/21 roulette bouncing out of good numbers, three card poker with dealers pulling straights/flushes 4x more than player etc. As pointed out before a lot of gamblers are moving online and need to be very wary as the games are not the same as land based venues. If I gamble responsibly and still lose tens of thousands how are irresponsible gamblers going to fair? You don't know how affiliation works so stop moaning about it. If I can drop 2k in a bookies playing £2 spins on a capped £500 jackpot in one session then extrapolate that over a year on high stakes on line. You admitted you limit the cash you take to the bookies to mitigate losses. Why didn't you set deposit limits online? You aren't a responsible gambler. If most people are telling you you're wrong then you probably are.. or is that a corrupt affiliation website conspiracy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwa40 Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 0.25 is it going to be Zero? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryans_slots Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 hours ago, Gkell727 said: Your at risk of issuing a public apology again. Not sure why streamers always jump to the jealousy thing. Strange because as you said most can set theirselves up and do it. Most just simply choose not to. There are 4 types of streamers: 1 - purely for business 2 - business & entertainment 3 - entertainment 4 - fudging the fake bs $300k bonus hunt garbage. The thing I was trying to say is when people lose on slots or signed up to them lost money at the casino some people get a little frustrated and take it out on the affiliates. But.. Please don't let me lose my public apology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, ryans_slots said: The thing I was trying to say is when people lose on slots or signed up to them lost money at the casino some people get a little frustrated and take it out on the affiliates. That is a decent opinion tbf The thing is, we are all wired different and lots of people can be impressionable and sign up through a link but they don't fully understand what is going on behind the scenes that allow some affiliates to gamble in the nature as they do, but yes Id say you are pretty accurate saying that if a person has signed up via someone link and lost they could then be looking to direct some blame, I also guess what with some streamers in the style they ''advertise'' for new sign up's they must surely expect some negative return. I've never followed a link and signed up in my life, I don't see the point, I wasn't ''in the know'' about all the affiliate side of things at the beginning and was genuinely a bit disappointed as time went on and I began to understand things a lot more, bit like when you were a kid and found out Santa isn't real. Some of the adverts I've seen from certain streamers are shameful, again they will appeal to various types of people, that advertising game around gambling is dangerous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, dwa40 said: 0.25 is it going to be Zero? Yeh 100% rigged But someone won as someone most probably had the winning number, I've won in the past but from a shady bounce out, even though I was fortunate with the win I still said in chat that the spin was shady AF We might win £10 or £20 - £50 from that shady rigged bounce out BUT for all we know that bounce out could have came out some players Jackpot number, that players loss that became my gain doesn't make it ok in my world Edited February 17, 2021 by Bangers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyrightmeow Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 9 hours ago, dwa40 said: 0.25 is it going to be Zero? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 @crazyrightmeow Do you feel it was a legit no nonsense spin ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyrightmeow Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Bangers said: @crazyrightmeow Do you feel it was a legit no nonsense spin ? Yes, roulette wheel spins one way and the ball spins the other way so when the ball hits the edge of the number pocket that is slightly tilted bounces and accelerates the other way. Depending on where ball hits that thing can either increase or decrease the speed of the ball of course gravity is also involved and so on and thats why can look weird if you dont know the physics behind it and how exactly roulette is made and how the ball reacts to it. If you look at the lightning roulette you can clearly see the difference there on the bounces and how ball sticks to certain pockets since is RNG-based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 @Solario333 Sorry to bother you again fella but could I ask you to have a good detailed look at this short clip and give any unbiased opinion please, it take a few views and at various speeds Many Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, crazyrightmeow said: Yes, roulette wheel spins one way and the ball spins the other way so when the ball hits the edge of the number pocket that is slightly tilted bounces and accelerates the other way. Depending on where ball hits that thing can either increase or decrease the speed of the ball of course gravity is also involved and so on and thats why can look weird if you dont know the physics behind it and how exactly roulette is made and how the ball reacts to it. If you look at the lightning roulette you can clearly see the difference there on the bounces and how ball sticks to certain pockets since is RNG-based. Mate the wheel is hardly moving yet kicks ''violently'' out the lightning clip was even worse I done a thread a while back on SUpercasino that were once on Channel 5 and not one person said they were legit Can you not see the ball has clearly rested but then is kicked out ? Edited February 17, 2021 by Bangers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 @crazyrightmeow Sadly but no surprise to see the video now removed, worth a read though A dam good lawyer would struggle to defend most of the spins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Bangers said: Mate the wheel is hardly moving yet kicks ''violently'' the lightning clip was even worse I done a thread a while back on SUpercasino that were once on Channel 5 and not one person said they were legit Can you not see the ball has clearly rested but then is kicked out ? I believe that there is some misunderstanding here --- this is not roulette as we have known it years ago .....the ball does not act in this way . What we see here is a sychronised magnetic variance process that produces a specific number according to a programme. it bears no relation to real live roulette and should not be presented as roulette . The game mimics roulette , but the spin does not show a real live spin , unaffected by any alternate force, rather a solution enforced by a magnetic effect realised in each moment . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Solario333 said: I believe that there is some misunderstanding here --- this is not roulette as we have known it years ago .....the ball does not act in this way . What we see here is a sychronised magnetic variance process that produces a specific number according to a programme. it bears no relation to real live roulette and should not be presented as roulette . The game mimics roulette , but the spin does not show a real live spin , unaffected by any alternate force, rather a solution enforced by a magnetic effect realised in each moment . Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyrightmeow Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bangers said: Mate the wheel is hardly moving yet kicks ''violently'' out the lightning clip was even worse I done a thread a while back on SUpercasino that were once on Channel 5 and not one person said they were legit Can you not see the ball has clearly rested but then is kicked out ? 1 minute ago, Bangers said: @crazyrightmeow Sadly but no surprise to see the video now removed, worth a read though A dam good lawyer would struggle to defend most of the spins I remember that video and that video was shady and nothing compared to this. I dont understand where you see the ball rested since its still moving and hits the edge of the number also you cant see the rotation of the ball since video is so pixelated and with low fps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyrightmeow Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Solario333 said: I believe that there is some misunderstanding here --- this is not roulette as we have known it years ago .....the ball does not act in this way . What we see here is a sychronised magnetic variance process that produces a specific number according to a programme. it bears no relation to real live roulette and should not be presented as roulette . The game mimics roulette , but the spin does not show a real live spin , unaffected by any alternate force, rather a solution enforced by a magnetic effect realised in each moment . If the video shows the RNG-based roulette then you are correct indeed. I thought is a "normal" roulette wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Just now, crazyrightmeow said: I remember that video and that video was shady and nothing compared to this. I dont understand where you see the ball rested since its still moving and hits the edge of the number also you cant see the rotation of the ball since video is so pixelated and with low fps. Never mind man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 15/02/2021 at 19:21, andywilliams1187 said: Not really mate. My recruiter got paid a fair fee for finding a job that suited my skill set. I dont mind him making money off it, the company pays him based on my performance. He had to put the work into finding a position because I couldn't be arsed. I'm happy because the company pays me a very good salary with bonus/car allowance The company is happy because I work hard The mrs is happy because she spends my money My dog is happy because my mrs stays at home and looks after her The taxman is happy because he takes a portion of my wage each month Everyone wins How many times have we went over this subject!,. Next time your in a land based casino look how many chips the dealer scoops down the chute every spin!! Why in hell would they need to rig a game that makes the house so much money??? The only people that used magnets in roulette wheels were the Chicago mob in the 1920s, those guys didn’t believe in percentages, they wanted everything. One netent employee whistleblower could effectively end a hundred million pound industry with one phone call if these wheels were corrupt. A little white ball spinning quickly onto the metal inside of the roulette wheel is going to result in occasional bounce backs, ball jumping etc.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Blacko said: Next time your in a land based casino Online is very different If you have eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbucks1983 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 If its roulette with no RTP advertised then it has to be fair, why risk one audit to be caught cheating. The long term risks associated with that would be far more detrimental than being able to ensure that cheapest number is selected. Especially when you consider if 500 people might be playing so every number will have money on it. There are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of spins on evolution roulette every year, millions across multiple wheels. There will always be suspect looking spins with that volume so even if it is above board its easy to make a fair wheel look suspect However games like lightening roulette where they stipulate an RTP im sure there are all sorts of mechanisms they can implement to ensure the RTP is maintained. I agree, I've seen some odd looking spins on it but what can you do, its not normal roulette and they can get away with it. The dodgiest ones are those wheels like monopoly or crazy time etc. They manually spin the wheel and then the motor continued spinning. They can definitely decide where that is landing but again, its got a specific RTP not derived by calculating the total slots and values etc they can get away with it. It just looks bloody awful. Thing is let's say all the games are rigged. Even if we all knew that people would still play them, probably nearly as much as they do now. Any manipulation is not targeting a specific player so you'd still have a relatively fair chance of winning. Its only when a dodgy spin goes against people that it becomes a real issue, not when the kick puts it in their number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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