Gamblers take all the risk Affiliate streamers none.

[Bangers]

@dwa40

I was so young back then,  and attracting those females 

 

[Bangers]

17 minutes ago, RB91 said:

This thread is fucking mental. More misinformation here than a right wing youtube channel.

He's talked some sense but most aint having it 

 

[bigbucks1983]

The OP is the same guy who two weeks ago ranted that evolution roulette is rigged because he had a bad run that didn't fit his model.

In two weeks you'll be starting a thread how out of order the casinos are because you won big but they won't pay you out due to 'forgetting' you already have an account with them or some shit.

Fella give this shit a rest. You lost, it wasn't rigged, the affiliates didn't make a difference. You and only you done your balls in. If you've closed all your accounts as you claim I think you should avoid anything to do with gambling, it doesn't agree with you.

[bigbucks1983]

2 minutes ago, Bangers said:

He's talked some sense but most aint having it 

 

He hasn't though, he's just whinged about losing because the 'maths' said he shouldn't have and he's whinged about affiliates earning money without a scooby doo how it works.

[Bangers]

2 minutes ago, bigbucks1983 said:

He hasn't though, he's just whinged about losing because the 'maths' said he shouldn't have and he's whinged about affiliates earning money without a scooby doo how it works.

ANY punter that loses NEVER gets a fair trial 

All gambling squeaky clean then 

[bigbucks1983]

8 minutes ago, Bangers said:

ANY punter that loses NEVER gets a fair trial 

All gambling squeaky clean then 

If you're not bright enough to understand what I wrote and the context (I think you are though), im not gonna waste my time explaining it.

[Bangers]

1 minute ago, bigbucks1983 said:

If you're not bright enough to understand what I wrote and the context (I think you are though), im not gonna waste my time explaining it.

Ok 

[VillaLad]

1 hour ago, Bangers said:

ANY punter that loses NEVER gets a fair trial 

All gambling squeaky clean then 

That’s besides the point though isn’t it?

If you think something is rigged tae fuck you’d tell it to get tae fuck n not play it. You wouldn’t carry on playing it surely.

[Bangers]

1 hour ago, VillaLad said:

That’s besides the point though isn’t it?

What is the point ?

From extensive video footage over a long period of time I feel ''some spins'' in roulette ''appear'' shady AF - but I don't have rock solid evidence. Horse racing many times has been under the spotlight what with some of the goings on too but how many trainers or jockeys have held up their hands and confessed to cheating ? 

We are gamblers mate and some of us are more hardened than others,  meaning even though we kind of know shady shit is going on some of us still feel like rolling the dice. If anyone puts forward a good case I will listen, better still if someone has a recording,  If we watch the same video yet come up with different opinions on what we see then fair enough but I'll not load and shoot as fast as maybe some other members,  I prefer to read or look things over in my own time and as I've said before I possibly watch things back a lot more than most. 

It's a community of various age groups from different walks of life so it's obvious that opinions or outlooks will often differ,  it's a shame when someone mentions in life how he or she feels they were cheated or scammed and almost instantly people's opinions form the ...........another skint punter talking from the wallet. 

[Bangers]

@Solario333

Could I ask you to give the video a watch please and put forward any opinion you may have.

Thanks 

 

 

[VillaLad]

19 minutes ago, Bangers said:

What is the point ?

From extensive video footage over a long period of time I feel ''some spins'' in roulette ''appear'' shady AF - but I don't have rock solid evidence. Horse racing many times has been under the spotlight what with some of the goings on too but how many trainers or jockeys have held up their hands and confessed to cheating ? 

We are gamblers mate and some of us are more hardened than others,  meaning even though we kind of know shady shit is going on some of us still feel like rolling the dice. If anyone puts forward a good case I will listen, better still if someone has a recording,  If we watch the same video yet come up with different opinions on what we see then fair enough but I'll not load and shoot as fast as maybe some other members,  I prefer to read or look things over in my own time and as I've said before I possibly watch things back a lot more than most. 

It's a community of various age groups from different walks of life so it's obvious that opinions or outlooks will often differ,  it's a shame when someone mentions in life how he or she feels they were cheated or scammed and almost instantly people's opinions form the ...........another skint punter talking from the wallet. 

I understand what your saying but from my point of view if I thought something was rigged like blackjack, roulette then I simply wouldn’t play them. I certainly wouldn’t spunk all my doe and then moan that they are rigged. The majority of people interested in horse racing knows shenanigans go on but still bet on them like ourselves and I’m happy to do so. If I do my bollocks I do my bollocks I don’t start whinging about it being fixed. I think some people just shouldn’t gamble as they don’t get what gambling actually is, I think some people think they have a god given right to win because they have put so  much money on a slot or whatever they’re playing and as we know it just don’t work like that.

[Bangers]

20 minutes ago, VillaLad said:

I understand what your saying but from my point of view if I thought something was rigged like blackjack, roulette then I simply wouldn’t play them. I certainly wouldn’t spunk all my doe and then moan that they are rigged. The majority of people interested in horse racing knows shenanigans go on but still bet on them like ourselves and I’m happy to do so. If I do my bollocks I do my bollocks I don’t start whinging about it being fixed. I think some people just shouldn’t gamble as they don’t get what gambling actually is, I think some people think they have a god given right to win because they have put so  much money on a slot or whatever they’re playing and as we know it just don’t work like that.

All valid points 

I've lost in the past and just took it on the chin, but then I've had days when I've lost and nearly took the bookies door off the hinges because something daft in the race happened so I felt hard done by, yip shit happens but I don't mind a kick off or someone else venting a bit of bitterness,  how someone acts or behaves when they lose shouldn't have any T&C's ''within reason'' 

Always felt kicking off towards staff is a bit out of order and I'll hold up my hands and say I've bounced a few lines off a few staff domes in my past but I was younger and dafter back then. 

[Solario333]

6 hours ago, Bangers said:

@Solario333

Could I ask you to give the video a watch please and put forward any opinion you may have.

Thanks 

 

 

In a normal roulette spin the ball cannot act in this way .... the spin is manipulated here to avoid a winning number . So my deduction is that evolution roulette is not chance but like a slot machine ,lands on the number according to a programmed cycle which allows people to win a set percentage ....  just like a slot . But clearly the word LIVE implies that the ball will drop according to chance .... not true .  

I have played this game and the ball has avoided my numbers for a few spins and then hit for a few spins and I am mostly losing .... 

 

[dwa40]

Clear up a few things as some points are misconstrued.  First affliation is a cost to the casino where a percentage of a gamblers loss is returned to the affiliate.  If people sign up through a link it is money the casino isn't keeping in comparison to a non sign up player.  It is added costs the same as advertising, taxes, wages, cost of running the games. (Know stating obvious here)

Bottom line is if an affiliate is getting 10%, the gov 20% on average in tax, casino around 30% and running costs of 5-10% when is the gambler going to get paid.  Hence shady games like roulette, crazy time and the like, blackjack on £5 tables where bots hit unusual plays to manipulate the pull card for the dealer.  

When I gambled I knew I was going to lose but when staking an average of £10-£15 don't expect to be tens of thousands down.  Should I have stopped sooner?  Definitely but as pointed before I went online from bookies, casinos and never expected such a run of loss and with lockdown blurring some choices I made.  My logic especially first few months was its variance bad luck etc.  But it was relentless dealer pulling 20/21 roulette bouncing out of good numbers, three card poker with dealers pulling straights/flushes 4x more than player etc.  

As pointed out before a lot of gamblers are moving online and need to be very wary as the games are not the same as land based venues.  If I gamble responsibly and still lose tens of thousands how are irresponsible gamblers going to fair?  

[MrUKHackz]

@Solario333 @Bangers

Lightning roulette is not a good example of live roulette as its auto wheel with patented electronic magnet technology! It's basically an RNG game, still random but not in the natural way of letting the ball bounce.

[MrUKHackz]

@dwa40 I see you're quite hung up on the affiliate getting 20% of your losses or whatever percent, but you do realise the affiliate gets 100% of your wins?

ie. you win 10k, that whole 10k gets taken off the affiliates profit for the month if he had one.

Some affiliates will make money 1 month in 12, you're really not understanding it.

[Gkell727]

5 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said:

but you do realise the affiliate gets 100% of your wins?

I didn’t know that? 
 

@Rocknrolla will be alright then. I’ve read the comments in his streams off some of his viewers. They are the type to hit on 19 so I can’t imagine he’s losing too much in that sense 

[Gkell727]

 

[dwa40]

37 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said:

@Solario333 @Bangers

Lightning roulette is not a good example of live roulette as its auto wheel with patented electronic magnet technology! It's basically an RNG game, still random but not in the natural way of letting the ball bounce.

So why is this game allowed to advertise it is with the presenters claiming responding to chat that there is no magnets and no bias towards bets.  The same goes for immersive roulette and probably most of the other live roulette games.  

As have stated if these games ran on the 2.7% edge roulette is it wouldn't cover the costs of running the operation of an online casino alone any profit.  So what is the real edge of lightening roulette and the like.  Based on my experience I would estimate it's running between 15-20% edge which is a big difference.  At least the slots are honest in the sense the game openly advertises a 4-6% edge.

[MrUKHackz]

26 minutes ago, dwa40 said:

2.7% edge

That edge over hundreds of millions of pounds is a decent sum, simple as that, you forget the volume of play they have, they really have no need to cheat.

[ryans_slots]

Ok so if you had won £50,000 you'd be thanking the affiliate ''Hey dude thanks for that awsome place won life changing money really good place - blah blah blah... the fact you are a loser at slots and you blame affiliates.. ha ha....

Do you blame comparethemarket when you pay via their AFFILIATE  site for insane prices for insurance?
Affiliates are not just in casinos, it's a global thing pretty much any sales company / shops / has affiliates.

just another tinfoil hate kid.
lastly affiliates don't always profit, should you win, they lose...
if your such Jealous of affiliates and earnings, why not do it yourself it really doesn't take much these days..

[Guest andywilliams1187]

31 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said:

That edge over hundreds of millions of pounds is a decent sum, simple as that, you forget the volume of play they have, they really have no need to cheat.

Exactly. No need to cheat when the games are running 24/7 365. They will have some days that are not as great as others, but overall they will make bank. 

[Gkell727]

8 minutes ago, ryans_slots said:

if your such Jealous of affiliates and earnings, why not do it yourself it really doesn't take much these days..

Your at risk of issuing a public apology again.
 

Not sure why streamers always jump to the jealousy thing. Strange because as you said most can set theirselves up and do it. Most just simply choose not to. 

[crazyrightmeow]

51 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said:

That edge over hundreds of millions of pounds is a decent sum, simple as that, you forget the volume of play they have, they really have no need to cheat.

Guy is so clueless its actually amazing, he states that 2.7% is not enough to cover the cost meanwhile all the land based casinos a lot more expensive to operate making millions of it. He doesnt listen to a reason because he doesnt want to he is just telling the same thing over and over in 3 different threads for the last two days.

[dwa40]

45 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said:

That edge over hundreds of millions of pounds is a decent sum, simple as that, you forget the volume of play they have, they really have no need to cheat.

According to the Evolution yearly accounts there is no way in a million years can they make the money which in 2019 was around £150 million after all costs considered with all games ranging from 2%-6% edge with 24 hour worldwide play and frequency of play ranging from 40 bets to 700 bets an hour depending on game.

 It is projected in 2020 to be close to £300 million profit.  For the profit margins to be met after costs of running a huge operation the games have to operate at least 15% edge which flies against what the games advertise at.

As affiliation I see it as an unnecessary cost which I have already started if some of the players sign up through links etc is less money for casino as some profits are paid back as finders fees.  There is also many more costs which could be slimmed down and in the long run give a better return for the gambler.

In the end everyone loses because eventually the gambler like me has enough as the losses are too aggressive and regular with less incentive of winning, the player pool will shrink, and the games edge or RTP will get tougher for players left playing.  

If you look at the slot market and see the new games the variance is rising to keep prodding a player the game can pay 200000x 300000x and is rising every year for e.g.  Reality is 1 or 2 people will see this win the rest get regular bonuses on average of 40x which are getting tougher to actually get.  Bonanza for e.g can cost 2000x your stake to see a bonus.