the state of twitch casino "streamers"

[Kev40]

Just now, 1pstaker said:

 

Just as well, I didnt wanna fall out over them   

One of my mates used to always say i don't fancy yours when we were out. My reply was always " don't worry i wouldn't take her off you " 

[Peter clark]

1 hour ago, howfin said:

You can never drink too much 

U swallied that "special reserve" yet mate ? 

[Blacko]

Thought I had seen the worst of streamers but classybeef tops the bill. Whats the point watching someone play demo funds when you can do so yourself. Mind numbing stuff.

[Sgt_bilk0]

3 minutes ago, Blacko said:

Thought I had seen the worst of streamers but classybeef tops the bill. Whats the point watching someone play demo funds when you can do so yourself. Mind numbing stuff.

This is what happpens when you are teased by Edinburgh uit really know that Glasgow is the way ..

[HenryThelegend]

All these streamer-affiliates are going to be fucked when they (inevitably) do the £2 max bet on online slots. All their money will come from people who play sensibly most the time and then go mad and lose £3k in a session every few weeks at £10 stake.

Honestly, when £2 max stake happens it will kill everything about streamers and affiliates. It is very close to over. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, HenryThelegend said:

All these streamer-affiliates are going to be fucked when they (inevitably) do the £2 max bet on online slots. All their money will come from people who play sensibly most the time and then go mad and lose £3k in a session every few weeks at £10 stake.

Honestly, when £2 max stake happens it will kill everything about streamers and affiliates. It is very close to over. 

 

Lets just hope that they remove affiliation altogether.

[HenryThelegend]

5 minutes ago, Denman said:

 

Lets just hope that they remove affiliation altogether.

Doubt it. But it will be hugely damaged by the £2 max stake. Casino's aren't going to pay much for a punter stuck on small stakes. The fact is these casinos make a huge percent of their money from degenerate sessions and someone pumping it up to £10 a stake while pissed and losing £4k in a night. So do the affiliates. Once they lose this money, so these degenerate gamblers are losing £1k in a night and not £4k due to £2 max bet, then it will mean much less money for affiliates. MUCH less. 

And they won't be able to play high either so they will have to compete with average punters for views.

I would guess a £2 max stakes will half affiliates income overnight. It is the biggest game changer around and I bet they are petrified. 

[HenryThelegend]

26 minutes ago, Gkell727 said:

Surely affiliates only get paid if you sign up through their links. If I fancied a punt I wouldn’t sign up via a streamers links so what’s the difference. If income comes from doughnuts who sign up through links then surely that’s on them... or am I missing something 

Yeh and those doughnuts won't be able to spunk as much money if there is a £2 stake. Meaning they are worth less to the casinos, so the affiliates will get less. Much less on average.

[RB91]

26 minutes ago, Gkell727 said:

Surely affiliates only get paid if you sign up through their links. If I fancied a punt I wouldn’t sign up via a streamers links so what’s the difference. If income comes from doughnuts who sign up through links then surely that’s on them... or am I missing something 

You’ve missed everything, streamers are the only reason that people lose money gambling online. Get up to speed.

[RB91]

8 minutes ago, Gkell727 said:

I just don’t see why affiliation is a problem to you if you don’t sign up to anyone’s links. Once you deposit even if it’s through someone’s link the buck stops with you, if you have lost money the affiliate doesn’t suddenly become responsible for that 

 

Nonsense. 

[HenryThelegend]

9 minutes ago, Gkell727 said:

I just don’t see why affiliation is a problem to you if you don’t sign up to anyone’s links. Once you deposit even if it’s through someone’s link the buck stops with you, if you have lost money the affiliate doesn’t suddenly become responsible for that 

 

I didn't say it was the affiliates problem. In some ways it is though because none of them advertise the product responsibly really, and they are devoid of regulations which hit other adverts for things like smoking, drinking and gambling. If you smoke loads and die of cancer at age of 45 in an age when smoking was promoted as being an amazing experience on ads and things then sure its still your fault..but the industry also has some responsibility.

But that is another argument and not the point I was making.

All I was saying is the following:

1, Affiliates, like casinos, make a lot of their money from "whales"..i.e. degens or high rollers (usually degens) who play too high and lose shtiloads.

2, A £2 max stake means affiliates will make less (much less) from these "whales".

3, So on the whole affiliates will make much less money when a £2 max stake comes in for online slots, as it probably will. 

 

That is what I was saying. Yes if you lose £50k in 3 months signing up on an affiliates links trying to reproduce Rohstein and NickSlots then it is your fault. But those people won't lose £50k when there is a £2 max stake. Or are much less likely too. 

There is a reason when the news about £2 max stakes online came out all the gambling companies had their share price collapse. Casinos and affiliates are feeding from the same trough. A £2 max stakes will destroy the income for both of them. Casinos can move some of the costs onto the players, reduced advertising budgets, lower affiliate payments...to stop being totally rekt. The affiliates will just be rekt. We will see, over night, their incomes collapse when £2 max stake happens.

Edited May 29, 2020 by HenryThelegend

[Guest]

52 minutes ago, HenryThelegend said:

Doubt it. But it will be hugely damaged by the £2 max stake. Casino's aren't going to pay much for a punter stuck on small stakes. The fact is these casinos make a huge percent of their money from degenerate sessions and someone pumping it up to £10 a stake while pissed and losing £4k in a night. So do the affiliates. Once they lose this money, so these degenerate gamblers are losing £1k in a night and not £4k due to £2 max bet, then it will mean much less money for affiliates. MUCH less. 

And they won't be able to play high either so they will have to compete with average punters for views.

I would guess a £2 max stakes will half affiliates income overnight. It is the biggest game changer around and I bet they are petrified. 

 

Affiliation is a point of discussion for the same Parliamentary group proposing the online £2 stakes. So don't be so sure. TGC will be moving to Malta next door to Roshtein if that ever happens...

[Kev40]

7 minutes ago, HenryThelegend said:

I didn't say it was the affiliates problem. In some ways it is though because none of them advertise the product responsibly really, and they are devoid of regulations which hit other adverts for things like smoking, drinking and gambling. If you smoke loads and die of cancer at age of 45 in an age when smoking was promoted as being an amazing experience on ads and things then sure its still your fault..but the industry also has some responsibility.

But that is another argument and not the point I was making.

All I was saying is the following:

1, Affiliates, like casinos, make a lot of their money from "whales"..i.e. degens or high rollers (usually degens) who play too high and lose shtiloads.

2, A £2 max stake means affiliates will make less (much less) from these "whales".

3, So on the whole affiliates will make much less money when a £2 max stake comes in for online slots, as it probably will. 

 

That is what I was saying. Yes if you lose £50k in 3 months signing up on an affiliates links trying to reproduce Rohstein and NickSlots then it is your fault. But those people won't lose £50k when there is a £2 max stake. Or are much less likely too. 

There is a reason when the news about £2 max stakes online came out all the gambling companies had their share price collapse. Casinos and affiliates are feeding from the same trough. A £2 max stakes will destroy the income for both of them. Casinos can move some of the costs onto the players, reduced advertising budgets, lower affiliate payments...to stop being totally rekt. The affiliates will just be rekt. We will see, over night, their incomes collapse when £2 max stake happens.

Aren't most streamers affliation income from one off payments? Is it called CPA or something like that. If that's the case however much a player loses has no bearing on the affliate's income.

[HenryThelegend]

1 minute ago, Denman said:

 

Affiliation is a point of discussion for the same Parliamentary group proposing the online £2 stakes. So don't be so sure. TGC will be moving to Malta next door to Roshtein if that ever happens...

Well hopefully they crack down on affiliates. But I just think there won't be many left after £2 stakes. It would gut the whole industry of affiliates in the UK imo. 

There are some funny guys on twitch. This one guy gets about 5-20 viewers each time he streams and yet is playing £10 stakes. And he is singing and loving life. There is just no fucking way that is real money because this dude can't be making anything from affiliation and he will be losing about £300k a year at those stakes. 

Pretty sure such blatent fake money is illegal and the casinos do it anyway. I will laugh if they fully crack down on affiliates and stop this shit. I also will laugh when £2 max stakes come in and all of a sudden these youtubers collectively fuck off as they are making a fraction of the money they previously were. 

[HenryThelegend]

Just now, Kev40 said:

Aren't most streamers affliation income from one off payments? Is it called CPA or something like that. If that's the case however much a player loses has no bearing on the affliate's income.

Even if that is true it doesn't counter-act what I said.

Current situation the average punter is maybe worth £500 to a casino (I am just making up these figures for effect but the trend is accurate). This is higher than it would otherwise be because for every 4 normal punters you get 1 degen who spunks off £20k on £20 spins.

In post-£2 max spin world the average punter will be worth much less because the 1 degen is no longer able to do £20 spins. So to the casino the average punter may now be worth £250. 

The affiliates get paid £100 (or whatever) per customer because the casino knows on average they are worth a certain figure. When that figure goes down (as it will without the whales upping the average) then it means the casinos won't be able or willing to pay the affiliates as much.

 

In summary in case I explained it badly above: The affiliates get a fixed sum but that is based on the calculation of how much that customer is "worth" to the casino. £2 max spins will lower the average of how much a customer is "worth" to the casino. Therefore affiliates will get lower fixed sum payments too. These reductions in payments would likely happen very fast when £2 max stakes comes in.

[HenryThelegend]

I, for one, would love to see a world without affiliate streamers. Then I could watch streamers and youtubers who are actually having a gamble where there is some jeopardy involved. It would be fantastic. But sadly these people get out-competed by some affiliate dudes running a business and doing 5 videos a week and gambling shitloads of money as it is a marketing expense in their affiliate business and not real gambling with risk involved.

[Kev40]

2 minutes ago, HenryThelegend said:

Even if that is true it doesn't counter-act what I said.

Current situation the average punter is maybe worth £500 to a casino (I am just making up these figures for effect but the trend is accurate). This is higher than it would otherwise be because for every 4 normal punters you get 1 degen who spunks off £20k on £20 spins.

In post-£2 max spin world the average punter will be worth much less because the 1 degen is no longer able to do £20 spins. So to the casino the average punter may now be worth £250. 

The affiliates get paid £100 (or whatever) per customer because the casino knows on average they are worth a certain figure. When that figure goes down (as it will without the whales upping the average) then it means the casinos won't be able or willing to pay the affiliates as much.

 

In summary in case I explained it badly above: The affiliates get a fixed sum but that is based on the calculation of how much that customer is "worth" to the casino. £2 max spins will lower the average of how much a customer is "worth" to the casino. Therefore affiliates will get lower fixed sum payments too. These reductions in payments would likely happen very fast when £2 max stakes comes in.

I suppose only time will tell. On the flip side in my local area there has been more Google searches for online gambling during the lockdown than any other part of the country. These are obviously not all through affliate links but online gambling has certainly been on the increase during the last 3 months so potentially it could of been a very lucrative 3 months for streamers.

[HenryThelegend]

4 minutes ago, Kev40 said:

I suppose only time will tell. On the flip side in my local area there has been more Google searches for online gambling during the lockdown than any other part of the country. These are obviously not all through affliate links but online gambling has certainly been on the increase during the last 3 months so potentially it could of been a very lucrative 3 months for streamers.

No doubt mate. They will be making bank currently. This is like the last chance to load up before it is over for them though. The huge rise in online gambling has been noticed and reported. The politicians will now have even more reason to go in hard on the industry when it comes to Responsible gambling. £2 max bet for online slots will be very soon imo, it is more likely now thanks to the lockdown and so much online gambling. 

[Kev40]

3 minutes ago, HenryThelegend said:

No doubt mate. They will be making bank currently. This is like the last chance to load up before it is over for them though. The huge rise in online gambling has been noticed and reported. The politicians will now have even more reason to go in hard on the industry when it comes to Responsible gambling. £2 max bet for online slots will be very soon imo, it is more likely now thanks to the lockdown and so much online gambling. 

I like the way you put your point across mate. Too many have come on forums bashing streamers with pure hatred and passion and post with little thought into what they are saying and lack common sense. 

[Dave]

But

The £2 max would only be for UK players

As casinos are almost world friendly 

Affiliates might look into or AT better bonuses for foreign players 

To make back x loses  

 

[HenryThelegend]

4 minutes ago, Kev40 said:

I like the way you put your point across mate. Too many have come on forums bashing streamers with pure hatred and passion and post with little thought into what they are saying and lack common sense. 

There is no point hating on anything imo, it just leads to being an unhappy person. 

I think affiliate streamers and youtuber have flown under the RG radar and, in fact, online casinos have too. That is changing now and I personally think its a good thing. Nothing against affiliate streamers. I think what they do is generally immoral and I would not do it personally but it doesn't mean I hate them or that they are fair game for abuse. There are also scales of affiliate streamers/youtubers. Guys like Paul OSC slots do youtube videos and affiliation but he does so responsibly and doesn't ram links down your throat. Then there are the vast majority who skirt a fine line between ethically promoting gambling and not. And then there are some who are just awful (we all know who they are) and will do anything for a pound note.

I think a £2 max stake online would be the biggest change to the online casino landscape in a LONG time and I think it will seriously damage affiliate incomes. I think that is a good thing from a selfish perspective because I want to watch real gamblers and not just affiliates. I also think it will be good for the community as I think having affiliates promote these casinos in an unregulated way causes more problem gambling than if they didn't exist.

I don't judge people too harshly if they are totally hateful of affiliates though, even if I personally don't hate them. That is the industry the affiliates chose to enter. If I watched nickslots be happy as fuck on his stream for years (because he isn't really gambling - just running a casino business) and then I signed up (as an immature 19 year old or something) and did my bollocks them I would probably be resentful of that person. It is only natural. And affiliates have basically made a deal with the devil to get into the industry and promote gambling knowing some who they introduce to it will have their lives ruined. All to make some money. They are making bank whilst others lives are ruined, so them taking a little bit of hate is understandable, although obviously not a good thing.

[HenryThelegend]

8 minutes ago, Dave said:

But

The £2 max would only be for UK players

As casinos are almost world friendly 

Affiliates might look into or AT better bonuses for foreign players 

To make back x loses  

 

The EU is considering max bets too though. And the UK is a huge market, and UK affiliates probably skew heavily towards UK players. 

[HenryThelegend]

I am always amazed how open some affiliates are about their personal info. It is a dodgy business. I don't think some of them understand how dangerous gambling addiction can be. I have seen dodgy casinos and card rooms have their staff members essentially held up by punters who have done their bollocks at that gambling site. I have seen a guy smack the shit out of an employee at a casino because he lost and the casino then shut before he had a chance to get his money back. He slapped the shit out of him and demanded his money back.

I could for sure see some disgruntled punter running into an affiliate who they signed up via and causing some hassle like demanding their money back. I would love to know if this has happened to any of these guys but I guess its unlikely so maybe hasn't happened yet as online gambling is a remote activity.

Edited May 29, 2020 by HenryThelegend

[Kev40]

1 hour ago, Gkell727 said:

I don’t think streamers should be void of criticism though. If someone wants jump on the forum and call someone a fudger they have every right. Streamers have opted to make money from one of the most corrupt industries going. 

I'm defending them mate. I'm just merely saying i think the way @HenryThelegend put his point across was well put. 

[h0tsh0t87]

8 hours ago, Kev40 said:

Aren't most streamers affliation income from one off payments? Is it called CPA or something like that. If that's the case however much a player loses has no bearing on the affliate's income.

Evening

 

alot of streamers income come from deposits and loses from players why do u think many streamers run 5-6-7-8–9 competitions every month were they give away money f or “active” players and then try to cover this up by offering one free competitons non active players . 
 

Two months ago why do U think numerous streamers ended competitions ( which they always claim they funded them self ) early Or offered no competitions within days of the affiliation rules changing .

 

i have no issue with affiliation as long as the streamers up front about it .