Crypto gambling, a normal punters view.

[Kings lynn 184]

9 hours ago, el_chupacabra said:

i signed up when i saw the casino rolla was playing at as i think he is straight.

long story short,i won over 25k from a 200 euro deposit.withdrew it and came back the next day to check its status.

they have totally blocked my account giving no reason whatsoever,wont answer email,cant log in,when i go on live chat they instantly close it when i give them my details.

im in ireland btw and reading the reviews after the fact which i should and normally do beforehand,i would have stayed clear,but didnt because i saw rollas banner.and trusted it

absolute joke,so if this saves people getting fisted so be it.

 

Did you have any screenshots of this? Sounds very strange. Especially when you’re a player in ireland.

[Solario333 11,488]

On 28/08/2023 at 21:47, Rocknrolla said:

In terms of uk player I will be in Ireland but I won't try and defend even though I do hope in time you will understand mine a little more but I still completely understand and respect your reasons.

I still hope one day you'll be back even if its just an update on how your lil girls boxing progress is but for now just want to say a massive thankyou for everything you've done, you never did anything for money purely to help out with the site. A true legend and gent, take it easy mate

I would urge @1pstaker to take a leave of absence for a while and consider the great contribution he has made to this site and its competitions . it would be a sad day to lose such a principled individual in such a difficult period of time for us all .  I will always regard Dan as a good and true fellow and lament this decision , although I do understand it .  

 @Rocknrolla was clearly forced out of streaming through UK sites and has made this decision on commercial grounds which is understandable .   However much we dislike the circumstances and the crypto environment , it is at the moment the only choice where gambling is , though unregulated , offering a decent value for the bets we make . 

Of course there are unscrupulous sharks out there , but none worse than 888, William hill or any UK licensed operation that peddle FOBTs in the high street at 80% RTP .  

I will stick to poker ....... for a while . 

and I wish both @1pstaker and @Rocknrolla good luck going forward ....... 

[Poker 3,185]

12 minutes ago, Solario333 said:

I will stick to poker ....... for a while . 

Nah... don't do that, I am too busy to have someone following me about! 

Ledger (crypto) wagering / gambling / casinos, are and always have been a funny old grey area, even back in the early days with satoshi dice (before it got flogged for 100,000 BTC!) which dominated for a while. Not sure where the digital landscape is going tbh, but the real world gambling bookie / dens have taken a good kicking from how the bitcoin crypto gambling has been moving up so quick in the last 3 years or so. Personally, I like them, but for obvious reasons (varied in every country) they are a drain on anyone's resources, with the sometimes crazy 121 or 1000% bonus buys / betting baiting ideas.

As for Paul going "digi" and / or where he will legally bet from in the future, watch back on some of his very early, early recordings, there was always lots of chitchat about doing it, many, many years ago... so regardless of how, why, who, maybe this is a natural transition for @Rocknrolla to try out, on his path to the replicating the success of the poker crown he once won... yikes where did those years go!

[Rocknrolla 5,384]

On 29/08/2023 at 05:09, el_chupacabra said:

i signed up when i saw the casino rolla was playing at as i think he is straight.

long story short,i won over 25k from a 200 euro deposit.withdrew it and came back the next day to check its status.

they have totally blocked my account giving no reason whatsoever,wont answer email,cant log in,when i go on live chat they instantly close it when i give them my details.

im in ireland btw and reading the reviews after the fact which i should and normally do beforehand,i would have stayed clear,but didnt because i saw rollas banner.and trusted it

absolute joke,so if this saves people getting fisted so be it.

 

send me or @MrUKHackz a message please so we can have a look into it for you

[lucy_tgc 1,667]

@Rocknrollai was looking at your about section on YouTube and noticed your tag is Rocknrollax. You should of made it Paul3lp for the nostalgia, is it possible to change it?

[Poker 3,185]

3 hours ago, lucy_tgc said:

@Rocknrollai was looking at your about section on YouTube and noticed your tag is Rocknrollax. You should of made it Paul3lp for the nostalgia, is it possible to change it?

Hey Luc, stepped out a while, what is Paul3lp ? A new YT channel? Hope you fine & dandy

[lucy_tgc 1,667]

2 hours ago, Poker said:

Hey Luc, stepped out a while, what is Paul3lp ? A new YT channel? Hope you fine & dandy

Paul3lp was the name he had when he first came to YouTube. If you put it in the YouTube search bar it takes you to his now main Rocknrolla channel.

[MrUKHackz 14,958]

8 hours ago, lucy_tgc said:

@Rocknrollai was looking at your about section on YouTube and noticed your tag is Rocknrollax. You should of made it Paul3lp for the nostalgia, is it possible to change it?

It was default set to Paul3lp but I showed him how to change it to Rocknrollax, the old name is good for nostalgia but not good for getting the channel out there as only the OG's will know Paul3lp is him! At least now he can be tagged etc by other channels

[lucy_tgc 1,667]

57 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said:

It was default set to Paul3lp but I showed him how to change it to Rocknrollax, the old name is good for nostalgia but not good for getting the channel out there as only the OG's will know Paul3lp is him! At least now he can be tagged etc by other channels

Ahh ok, that didn't even cross my mind tbh

[david1111 18,100]

On 29/08/2023 at 05:09, el_chupacabra said:

i signed up when i saw the casino rolla was playing at as i think he is straight.

long story short,i won over 25k from a 200 euro deposit.withdrew it and came back the next day to check its status.

they have totally blocked my account giving no reason whatsoever,wont answer email,cant log in,when i go on live chat they instantly close it when i give them my details.

im in ireland btw and reading the reviews after the fact which i should and normally do beforehand,i would have stayed clear,but didnt because i saw rollas banner.and trusted it

absolute joke,so if this saves people getting fisted so be it.

 

Did you get anywhere with this?

[ISlot 1,129]

On 28/08/2023 at 21:39, Rocknrolla said:

Will try and cover some of the questions in the thread but will also be doing a vlog soon covering a lot of stuff.

I'm not saying they should be banned but now understand why they were in the uk and agree with it. Some slots are purpose built for buys and the slots that don't have a good base game potential then buys on those makes more sense but there isn't many. Overall they zap the fun out and like I said they create more tilting scenarios. I'm certainly not buying them for the purpose of pleasing any viewers or anything like that. I've also been on a record losing streak so hopefully the reality is there to see and people remember it.

In terms of my viewer base its 54% UK so still a large percentage outside. Saying the casinos targeted me for UK players I mean I can't comment on their behalf but the majority that have contacted me don't even know me and think my name is Jamie and reached out based on my subs/views. The first casino I was with said I must be in Ireland purely because they expect stronger checks to be coming in soon so looking for uk players would be pointless for them.

I think my channel is different to most and at no point do I direct or even mention the casino I play on, I like to think the majority watch for entertainment purposes only. It would be different if it was a uk site but given all the dangers and the absolute mission it is to get that first crypto deposit on, if someone can still play on a uk site I would think they would stay there. I am also in Ireland so if people were to copy me then they'd have to move here, get an official address, utility bills, phone etc.

Also look how I got here, banned for winning, blocked for no reason given, limited, max amount of withdrawals, max capped amounts and the last straw not being paid out. I read a post on bbc where it mentions Norway and France having the same sort of regulations put on them and now 70% of them play on the black market and thats without influencers. All this being said if I could play on just one UK site freely then I'd be there in a shot and even now I'm still planning and looking at ways to come back in the future.

Its still hard to comment as the last person that would have predicted me here now would have been me!

 

 

Just got verified on K8 casino looks great bonus offer at 30x is not bad at all, no limits how much I can bet on the bonus 100% better than BC casino

 

[jokepoteer 6]

Unfortunately all of this Curacao-based crypto gambling wil be going away in the next 6 months as the Curacao regulator is cracking down and requiring full KYC and effective blocking of UK/USA/NL players by operators, as a license condition.

Good while.it all lasted, but unless you are in a position to move countries just to play slots...  ouch.

[david1111 18,100]

2 hours ago, jokepoteer said:

Unfortunately all of this Curacao-based crypto gambling wil be going away in the next 6 months as the Curacao regulator is cracking down and requiring full KYC and effective blocking of UK/USA/NL players by operators, as a license condition.

Good while.it all lasted, but unless you are in a position to move countries just to play slots...  ouch.

Best news I've heard for a long time

[crazyrightmeow 4,589]

3 hours ago, jokepoteer said:

Unfortunately all of this Curacao-based crypto gambling wil be going away in the next 6 months as the Curacao regulator is cracking down and requiring full KYC and effective blocking of UK/USA/NL players by operators, as a license condition.

Good while.it all lasted, but unless you are in a position to move countries just to play slots...  ouch.

Curacao is giving licenses to scam casinos that never pay out and you really think this will change anything regarding crypto?

[Blacko 12,482]

3 hours ago, crazyrightmeow said:

Curacao is giving licenses to scam casinos that never pay out and you really think this will change anything regarding crypto?

I should imagine there are dozens of Banana Republics who will license these fuckers to operate, money talks.

[crazyrightmeow 4,589]

24 minutes ago, Blacko said:

I should imagine there are dozens of Banana Republics who will license these fuckers to operate, money talks.

They dont need a licence at all probably. But if it is really needed because of the law, I am sure Eddie the stake wizard can just open his own licensing company at this point.

[Danger 26]

16 minutes ago, crazyrightmeow said:

They dont need a licence at all probably. But if it is really needed because of the law, I am sure Eddie the stake wizard can just open his own licensing company at this point.

What ?   The laws of individual countries govern whether companies can offer gambling services to its residents. 

If you don't have a licence where restrictions are in place and you ignore the laws, then you get pursued and massive fines are imposed.  It doesn't matter if its a crypto casino or otherwise.

And governments issue licences not private companies.

 

[crazyrightmeow 4,589]

29 minutes ago, Danger said:

What ?   The laws of individual countries govern whether companies can offer gambling services to its residents. 

If you don't have a licence where restrictions are in place and you ignore the laws, then you get pursued and massive fines are imposed.  It doesn't matter if its a crypto casino or otherwise.

And governments issue licences not private companies.

 

Individual countries cannot do shit really when it comes to crypto. They can only restrict their own citizens and then is up to the websites if they still allow them to play there or not. Thats why many countries can only block their domain names so citizens cannot access it with the dns from the countries internet providers which is easy to bypass. If they would be able to pursue them or fine them they would do it ages ago.

When you open the companies in the X country we all know which countries these are they are untouchable by the laws of other countries. Thats why people open their bank accounts, companies etc. to avoid tax or any other bullshit they do there.

If it would be licensed casino they could at least block citizens means to deposit by bank\paypal\skrill etc but with crypto that more or less impossible as well.

 

Regarding opening their own licence company it was clearly a joke, keep up.

[jokepoteer 6]

44 minutes ago, Danger said:

What ?   The laws of individual countries govern whether companies can offer gambling services to its residents. 

If you don't have a licence where restrictions are in place and you ignore the laws, then you get pursued and massive fines are imposed.  It doesn't matter if its a crypto casino or otherwise.

And governments issue licences not private companies.

 

And if you don't have a license, you will find only a few third rate providers willing to supply slots.

Unfortunately this crackdown is happening. Curacao are cleaning up their act.   There is a news article and large thread over at Casinomeister about it.

There are legal and logistical issues to "just moving to another banana republic" as someone posted, too.

Edited September 11 by jokepoteer

[Danger 26]

50 minutes ago, crazyrightmeow said:

Individual countries cannot do shit really when it comes to crypto. They can only restrict their own citizens and then is up to the websites if they still allow them to play there or not. Thats why many countries can only block their domain names so citizens cannot access it with the dns from the countries internet providers which is easy to bypass. If they would be able to pursue them or fine them they would do it ages ago.

 

I have removed the rest of your post from the quote above as it was a load of rambling nonsense.

Individual countries can indeed "do shit" when it comes to crypto or indeed any other form of prohibited gambling that target their citizens.   Not alone do they have licence systems, they have avenues to pursue those who try and circumvent them. 

In the US all online gambling is prohibited by the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act.  As an operator you cannot accept payments in connection with the participation of another person in a bet or wager that involves the use of the Internet.  Throwing the word crypto in adds nothing to your argument.

I suggest you read the terms and conditions of ANY casino including the crypto ones.  The prohibited countries are there for a reason.   The same goes for the AML conditions on crytpo casino websites.  They are there for a reason.  Ignorance is no excuse.

Curacao is a constituent country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.  And the Dutch Regulator KSA has already pursued casinos accepting Dutch players whilst not licensed in the Netherlands and who were operating with flimsy Curacao licences.

And please, DO keep up.

Edited September 11 by Danger

[crazyrightmeow 4,589]

1 minute ago, Danger said:

I have removed the rest of your post from the quote above as it was a load of rambling nonsense.

Individual countries can indeed "do shit" when it comes to crypto or indeed any other form of prohibited gambling that target their citizens.   Not alone do they have licence systems, they have avenues to pursue those who try and circumvent them. 

In the US all online gambling is prohibited by the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act.  As an operator you cannot accept payments in connection with the participation of another person in a bet or wager that involves the use of the Internet.

I suggest you read the terms and conditions of ANY casino including the crypto ones.  The prohibited countries are there for a reason.

Curacao is a constituent country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.  And the Dutch Regulator KSA has already pursued casinos accepting Dutch players whilst not licensed in the Netherlands and who were operating with flimsy Curacao licences.

And please, DO keep up.

You are clearly still butt hurt when I explained to you that live blackjack is not rigged and they simple use card readers when you tried to show "proof" of it being rigged and now you are trying to be jackass. You are spewing shit about the shit you dont know just like you are doing in Pauls stream and act like attention seeking teenage girl.

I cant even take you serious. You probably think the earth is flat as well.

But still I will let you something to think about but you probably wont get it anyways...

How come there are countries only blocking the domain names and not pursue them? In US online gambling is illegal yes and yet there are US streamers and regular players that play on crypto casinos every day without a problem. Stake has even .us domain name for US players so how come they are allowed to do that without any legal issues while clearly breaking the US laws? The prohibited countries are there for a reason indeed, on a real licensed casinos which crypto casinos are NOT. Thats why even if they are prohibited countries stated in their TOS almost all crypto casinos allow VPN.

[david1111 18,100]

Whatever argument you have on this subject you can guarantee operators will find a loophole or getaround whether it be moral or not

 

[Blacko 12,482]

1 hour ago, david1111 said:

Whatever argument you have on this subject you can guarantee operators will find a loophole or getaround whether it be moral or not

 

I’m going to send the both of them to fucking Curaçao and see if I can trade them for coconuts.

[andywilliams11872 70]

7 hours ago, Blacko said:

I should imagine there are dozens of Banana Republics who will license these fuckers to operate, money talks.

Not just for gambling mate - forex trading is the same. I trade with a company that offers 1:500 leverage - virtually impossible to get in the UK. I was with an Australian broker; government cracked down on it in Aus a few years ago. Company just moved the service to the seychelles - all they sent out was a generic email saying if you want to keep a 1:500 leverage, click this button. Seamless transition. 

It will happen with curaco licenses eventually, will just move somewhere else. I am sure that streamers will happily move; rolla will probably end up streaming in a tent in the middle of a desert somewhere whilst other streamers just use a VPN lol.  

[Danger 26]

16 hours ago, crazyrightmeow said:

You are clearly still butt hurt when I explained to you that live blackjack is not rigged and they simple use card readers when you tried to show "proof" of it being rigged and now you are trying to be jackass. You are spewing shit about the shit you dont know just like you are doing in Pauls stream and act like attention seeking teenage girl.

How come there are countries only blocking the domain names and not pursue them? In US online gambling is illegal yes and yet there are US streamers and regular players that play on crypto casinos every day without a problem. Stake has even .us domain name for US players so how come they are allowed to do that without any legal issues while clearly breaking the US laws? The prohibited countries are there for a reason indeed, on a real licensed casinos which crypto casinos are NOT. Thats why even if they are prohibited countries stated in their TOS almost all crypto casinos allow VPN.

I never said BJ was rigged. Butthurt ?  what are you 12 ?  wind your neck in kiddo. I said that one of the operators' card readers was clearly reading the cards before they came out of the shoe.   You would have got that had you bothered to watch the video Einstein.

Using a top level domain means nothing.  You cannot access stake.us from various states as local gambling laws do not allow it.  That includes Kentucky, New York, Nevada, Washington, and Idaho.

I have already given you examples of Regulators (KML) who pursue Curacao casinos targeting their residents.  You seem to be ignoring that.

And the reason casinos include a prohibited countries list is to avoid prosecution for offering services where it is prohibited.  It is clearly stated in their T&C's.  You are a prime example of the uneducated that end up moaning on forums about not being paid when you couldn't be bothered reading them.  Instead relying on a stupid mindset that you know better.  All of that VPN nonsense is in your head - they clearly state you cannot use a VPN.

Here's the crypto casino Rolla plays on

2.6. You must be residing in a jurisdiction where gambling is legal. You are not allowed to access the Website and/or register an account from a jurisdiction that prohibits online gambling and/or any other jurisdiction that the Central Government of Curacao deems online gambling illegal. k8.io also prohibits persons located in (including temporary visitors) or residents of Australia, Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao, France and its territories, Netherlands and its territories, Saba, Spain, Statia, St Martin, United Kingdom, the USA and its territories. For the avoidance of doubt, registration from countries that do not feature on the dropdown options available at registration stage, is strictly prohibited.

18.5.1.3 Acceptance Policy

K8 will not accept and will block the users that:

• Provide fake identification documents.

• Try to use different means to deceive about their location.

• Are from restricted or prohibited jurisdictions;

Here is Stake's T&C's

14.3 Persons located in or reside in Afghanistan, Australia, Belarus, Belgium, Côte d'Ivoire, Cuba, Curaçao, Czech Republic, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Iran, Iraq, Italy, Liberia, Libya, Lithuania, Netherlands, North Korea, Ontario, Portugal, Serbia, Singapore, Slovakia, South Sudan, Spain, Sudan, Syria, Switzerland, United Kingdom, United States, Zimbabwe (the "Prohibited Jurisdictions") are not permitted make use of the Service. For the avoidance of doubt, the foregoing restrictions on engaging in real-money play from Prohibited Jurisdictions applies equally to residents and citizens of other nations while located in a Prohibited Jurisdiction. Any attempt to circumvent the restrictions on play by any persons located in a Prohibited Jurisdiction or Restricted Jurisdiction, is a breach of this Agreement. An attempt at circumvention includes, but is not limited to, manipulating the information used by Stake to identify your location and providing Stake with false or misleading information regarding your location or place of residence.

14.4 The attempt to manipulate your real location through the use of VPN, proxy, or similar services or through the provision of incorrect or misleading information about your place of residence, with the intent to circumvent geo-blocking or jurisdiction restrictions, constitutes a breach of Clause 5 of this Terms of Service.

 

 

 

Edited September 12 by Danger