Crypto gambling, a normal punters view.

[andywilliams11872 70]

53 minutes ago, Avernite said:

That's an assumption on your part. What's to say that Rolla isn't drawing in a gradually bigger international audience? He's a lot more well known than you give him credit for.

Not really an assumption - bigger international streaming market already tapped into. And I don't believe its a coincidence that the two bigger uk streamers, who have both denounced crypto in the past, both ended up with crypto deals within a short space of each other (and stop and step as well)

[Avernite 97]

44 minutes ago, andywilliams11872 said:

Not really an assumption - bigger international streaming market already tapped into. And I don't believe its a coincidence that the two bigger uk streamers, who have both denounced crypto in the past, both ended up with crypto deals within a short space of each other (and stop and step as well)

That might be an argument on the Bandit, but Rolla has made it abundantly clear that he's streaming outside of the country. Whether people then proceed to use a VPN despite that is on them, and besides that it would also pay to read the casinos T&C's as to whether UK players are allowed in the first place.

Will some UK players decide to chance it? Sure. But chances are they'd do it anyway without seeing Rolla do it.

[andywilliams11872 70]

19 minutes ago, Avernite said:

That might be an argument on the Bandit, but Rolla has made it abundantly clear that he's streaming outside of the country. Whether people then proceed to use a VPN despite that is on them, and besides that it would also pay to read the casinos T&C's as to whether UK players are allowed in the first place.

Will some UK players decide to chance it? Sure. But chances are they'd do it anyway without seeing Rolla do it.

I get your point, but lets be fair here - rolla knows full well that people from the UK will sign up. It could be argued that under the casino bonuses tab on the site, yes it does state in the smallest writing "no uk player". But in the actual casino review in nice big lettering, it doens not mention it anywhere. 

And I still stand by my comment that this has been done deliberatley to try and get more UK players onto crypto. 

The likes of rolla don't have the international exposure compared to other streamers - if you look at some of the medium/bigger ones on youtube, they are averaging between 40-100k views per video. Rolla averaging 15/20 on a good day - because the majority of the fan base is UK as he was one of the only legitimate streamers around for a long time. 

[Rocknrolla 5,384]

Will try and cover some of the questions in the thread but will also be doing a vlog soon covering a lot of stuff.

I'm not saying they should be banned but now understand why they were in the uk and agree with it. Some slots are purpose built for buys and the slots that don't have a good base game potential then buys on those makes more sense but there isn't many. Overall they zap the fun out and like I said they create more tilting scenarios. I'm certainly not buying them for the purpose of pleasing any viewers or anything like that. I've also been on a record losing streak so hopefully the reality is there to see and people remember it.

In terms of my viewer base its 54% UK so still a large percentage outside. Saying the casinos targeted me for UK players I mean I can't comment on their behalf but the majority that have contacted me don't even know me and think my name is Jamie and reached out based on my subs/views. The first casino I was with said I must be in Ireland purely because they expect stronger checks to be coming in soon so looking for uk players would be pointless for them.

I think my channel is different to most and at no point do I direct or even mention the casino I play on, I like to think the majority watch for entertainment purposes only. It would be different if it was a uk site but given all the dangers and the absolute mission it is to get that first crypto deposit on, if someone can still play on a uk site I would think they would stay there. I am also in Ireland so if people were to copy me then they'd have to move here, get an official address, utility bills, phone etc.

Also look how I got here, banned for winning, blocked for no reason given, limited, max amount of withdrawals, max capped amounts and the last straw not being paid out. I read a post on bbc where it mentions Norway and France having the same sort of regulations put on them and now 70% of them play on the black market and thats without influencers. All this being said if I could play on just one UK site freely then I'd be there in a shot and even now I'm still planning and looking at ways to come back in the future.

Its still hard to comment as the last person that would have predicted me here now would have been me!

 

 

[Rocknrolla 5,384]

On 27/08/2023 at 18:02, 1pstaker said:

I don't know how long it has been there, but I see @Rocknrolla is now affiliated with his latest site. (It's in the promoted casino page) It says no UK players, but let's face it, he is a UK player himself so in essence is saying it is ok. Sorry to say, but that's me done with the site. Its been a blast, and I have met some wonderful people here. Thanks everyone, see you around. 

In terms of uk player I will be in Ireland but I won't try and defend even though I do hope in time you will understand mine a little more but I still completely understand and respect your reasons.

I still hope one day you'll be back even if its just an update on how your lil girls boxing progress is but for now just want to say a massive thankyou for everything you've done, you never did anything for money purely to help out with the site. A true legend and gent, take it easy mate

[andywilliams11872 70]

38 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

 

I think my channel is different to most and at no point do I direct or even mention the casino I play on, I like to think the majority watch for entertainment purposes only.

Also look how I got here, banned for winning, blocked for no reason given, limited, max amount of withdrawals, max capped amounts and the last straw not being paid out. I read a post on bbc where it mentions Norway and France having the same sort of regulations put on them and now 70% of them play on the black market and thats without influencers. All this being said if I could play on just one UK site freely then I'd be there in a shot and even now I'm still planning and looking at ways to come back in the future.

Its still hard to comment as the last person that would have predicted me here now would have been me!

 

 

Sorry mate, but thats just a lie and you know it. Your latest you tube video has a link in the description tab which sends you to the K8 review on this site. A review, which as I have stated, does not contain any disclaimer that the site does not accept players from the UK. The page before it does if you click casino bonuses from the main page, but not the actual review. More smoke and mirrors. 

You stated before that you would provide a vlog and never did (not that you have to). You also previously stated that you were on a monthly fixed fee - if thats the case, the amount must be decent for them to be able to stipulate you have to be in Ireland and for you to set up there and deposit/lose what you are doing. 

I really am trying not to come across as a dick with the messages, but from my perspective, I am failing to see any differential between yourself and all of the other crypto streamers you used to denounce. If you were honest and just said I am doing this becuase someone has given me a big bag of cash then I don't think many people would really care, but the constant justification of moving to Ireland becuase of UK restrictions is just poor form (again, in my opinion). 

The Bandit may come across as a dick to a lot of people, but at least he's honest about it and doesn't try to justify his actions. 

I think I am going to bow out also as im never going to change my mind on the situation and all I tend to do here is call you out or annoy ryanslots (which is fun to be fair). I rejoined thinking the forum was the same as it was a few years ago, which is obviously not the case anymore. 

I really hope you are doing it for the right reasons though and you don't end up spunking everything in Ireland. 

[kirsty0312 249]

8 minutes ago, andywilliams11872 said:

 

I really am trying not to come across as a dick with the messages, but from my perspective, I am failing to see any differential between yourself and all of the other crypto streamers you used to denounce. If you were honest and just said I am doing this becuase someone has given me a big bag of cash then I don't think many people would really care, but the constant justification of moving to Ireland becuase of UK restrictions is just poor form (again, in my opinion). 

The Bandit may come across as a dick to a lot of people, but at least he's honest about it and doesn't try to justify his actions. 

I think I am going to bow out also as im never going to change my mind on the situation and all I tend to do here is call you out or annoy ryanslots (which is fun to be fair). I rejoined thinking the forum was the same as it was a few years ago, which is obviously not the case anymore. 

I really hope you are doing it for the right reasons though and you don't end up spunking everything in Ireland. 

I don't like crypto casinos for so many reasons, but this is my view ( it may be totally wrong and slightly bias because i enjoy the videos/streams) 

I see Rolla different, to me Rolla is a gambler who records his gambling sessions and so happens to generate revenue from it. As opposed to many others who found a way to generate revenue through creating gambling videos. 

Amongst others, i've seen the declining timeline. From his regular casinos to dodgy UK casinos, them then not paying out.  Add in the pure frustration of seeing UK streamers/players playing at crypto and seemingly being paid out.  I get  the enticement, the freedom to play how he wants and  ability to recoup some of the losses, ( Lets be fair there is not a lot of people who play at his stakes.) I believe if he was in it purely for the funds and not the gamble he'd play at lower stakes, but it is becoming evident he cant get the gamblers high from lower stakes.

I'm also realistic that people who want to gamble will already be playing on crypto casinos. The same people who set up accounts in partners/parents names to gamble. 

My views will change if i start seeing yes UK players can play if you play via VPN, or videos on how to deposit, but i currently think we are viewing/following the journey of a real gambler. 

 

[Rocknrolla 5,384]

22 minutes ago, andywilliams11872 said:

does not contain any disclaimer that the site does not accept players from the UK

I didnt know this and by the time you read will be done

22 minutes ago, andywilliams11872 said:

You stated before that you would provide a vlog and never did (not that you have to). You also previously stated that you were on a monthly fixed fee - if thats the case, the amount must be decent for them to be able to stipulate you have to be in Ireland and for you to set up there and deposit/lose what you are doing. 

 

I did include one at the end of a video explaining a big loss but 100% will be doing one soon and will cover any questions people have. Yes its a monthly fee which I will go over but the short version is I'm a gambler with no business sense so overall have made nothing from this venture and they're not paying for me to be in Ireland that is my choice

26 minutes ago, andywilliams11872 said:

I really am trying not to come across as a dick with the messages, but from my perspective, I am failing to see any differential between yourself and all of the other crypto streamers you used to denounce. If you were honest and just said I am doing this becuase someone has given me a big bag of cash then I don't think many people would really care, but the constant justification of moving to Ireland becuase of UK restrictions is just poor form (again, in my opinion). 

I would like to think I don't even have to explain about doing this for money with everything I could of done. The last two years alone with some of the biggest streams I've ever done with no links whatsover, casinos removing themselves due to clause x which basically states bring us no players in 3months so we bin you now. I could receive £500 for a 21casino video (max 4 vids) for having the logo showing but you'd know that wouldn't touch the side with the deposits I was doing. I did it through recycled winnings and the absolute buzz it brought but that also played a part in my two main casinos saying bonjour to me as I wasn't earning anything near enough to warrant the deposits I was making and keep sow happy. I can't speak for anyone else that now streams crypto but I doubt they had a scenario like mine. Moneywise if I'm going to do this I may as well get something back or at least try to, plus this could also be a way back to the uk casino as I'll obvs pay taxes etc

36 minutes ago, andywilliams11872 said:

The Bandit may come across as a dick to a lot of people, but at least he's honest about it and doesn't try to justify his actions. 

I don't think I'm trying to justify more to just replying honestly

38 minutes ago, andywilliams11872 said:

I think I am going to bow out also as im never going to change my mind on the situation and all I tend to do here is call you out or annoy ryanslots (which is fun to be fair). I rejoined thinking the forum was the same as it was a few years ago, which is obviously not the case anymore. 

I really hope you are doing it for the right reasons though and you don't end up spunking everything in Ireland. 

Like I said in the youtube comments to you overall I don't disagree with a lot you're saying and I don't really know what to say or think as I'm still in a bit of a shock I'm here. I know you don't think or believe much about this point but I can't stress enough what doing everything in my opinion the right way and getting battered everytime for it has done to me! This is still all a trial for me, there's too much gamble in me for a business so we'll se how it pans out

Whatever happens, genuinely respect your opinion as if it was the other way round its likely to of been mine. I wish you well mate

 

[bigbucks1983 683]

Here is my view of all this, gambling has changed for the UK punter due to the restrictions placed by the UKGC and along with that the fact that most games are being built purely towards bonus buys and super bonus buys particularly to get the big wins. The odds of landing a natural super bonus is so slow that UK players are immediately on the back foot. This all forces them to go down the crypto route. I dont like crypto casinos, I hate the lack of regulation, the wild west landscape, the ability to bonus buy etc. I have always said bonus buys should be banned, they are not affordable or sustainable and if you don't have discipline will be the ruin of many gamblers. This leads to the situation we are in now where it is all just a mess.

On to the streaming aspect, I think people should be able to stream where they want so they can gamble how they want (a la Rolla). But then it gets murkier depending on how they want to align and promote these casinos and push for sign ups (a la Bandit aka mercenary gimp). Some people might disagree but I think streamers have a duty of care with what they promote and how they promote it. For instance I think bandit is a bottom feeding parasite who disappeared for a year or two and then reappeared when there was a new income opportunity and is shamelessly whoring crypto to get that affiliation revenue. Every video he prompts viewers to his website where they can learn how to do VPNs etc, I despise it. A lot of streamers have jumped on the crypto band wagon because every single gambler will be a potential new sign up whereas previously it the UK market was pretty much saturated and all signed up. It really is only about the money. In regards to Rolla, I'm disappointed as you always held certain views and seem to have gone against them. I know you say its so you can gamble how you want to etc and I do appreciate you getting a fixed fee for just making content but I'm dubious as to whether you will end up going down the sign up route soon, you've taken the first step. Jury is out. I haven't seen a You Tube stream in forever but I will give you the videos you're putting out do align mostly with your style of gambling, even with bonus buys you're super degen.

So that's why i think people are streaming/promoting crypto. My big gripe though is then responsible gambling. I think it is somewhat hypocritical for any website promoting crypto casinos in their current unregulated for to also advertise responsible gambling, at present crypto casinos are about the least responsible thing on the market, you can't have it both ways. If you're promoting crypto casinos, gamstop is basically null and void. Even a disclaimer page on a website highlighting the dangers of crypto casinos, stating they are unregulated etc would at least be something but I doubt many would since it may lead to less sign ups.

So gambling is fucked in the UK and streamers are mostly mercenary. The last thing I'd say is that with the saturation of crypto casinos and bonus buys, most gambling videos are extremely boring and repetitive now. Just half an hour or an hour of bonus buy after bonus buy, then a new video the next day or two repeating it again. I used to enjoy watching Rollas live streams for the highs and lots, the comebacks or blow ups on roulette or blackjack, the random £50 bonuses or the highstakes bonus hunts, when 1000x was a big win and a double ronza. This applies to many streamers now, there is no journey to the videos. I never expected I would but I actually watch fruity slots now as they seem to play pretty similar to how Rolla used to (without the tables) with the addition of the odd bonus buy.

Overall its a pretty shite landscape. Gambling is fucked, punters aren't protected and are being exposed to risks by mercenary streamers, 90% of streams and videos are boring and bandit is still getting sucked off by his followers for every shit video he puts out. Oh a bandit video, Sundays don't get better than this, fucking gimps. Things will get worse, the UKGC won't realise it because its not going through UKGC casinos and eventually the government or someone will finally do something when everyone is broke from bonus buys and crypto casinos, then and just then they might get regulated.

[el_chupacabra 13]

i signed up when i saw the casino rolla was playing at as i think he is straight.

long story short,i won over 25k from a 200 euro deposit.withdrew it and came back the next day to check its status.

they have totally blocked my account giving no reason whatsoever,wont answer email,cant log in,when i go on live chat they instantly close it when i give them my details.

im in ireland btw and reading the reviews after the fact which i should and normally do beforehand,i would have stayed clear,but didnt because i saw rollas banner.and trusted it

absolute joke,so if this saves people getting fisted so be it.

 

[PieGamble 539]

On 26/08/2023 at 23:09, Rocknrolla said:

I disagreed with bonusbuys being banned and now having played with the freedom to do so I now 100% agree with them being banned! They take all the fun out of the slots and just produce even more tilting scenarios than playing the slot normally. I think this is one of the biggest draws to crypto casinos but once you play them you soon realise the reality and their tilting nature! If you have a limited budget which is pretty much everyone and your verified/feel safe on a ukgc casino then crypto casinos just aren't worth crossing that bridge for!

Bonus buys, autospins and 'turbo' spins are all implicated as significant factors in developing problematic gambling habits. The UKGC, along with other governing bodies, banned them for good reason - not that you'll ever hear a knees deep gambler share that view.

As I've mentioned previously - I don't think the mechanics of slots are developed by nefarious programmers set out to create addicts, rather, it's an incremental process giving people what they want until they converge and you end up with a slot like No Limit - Tombstone RIP.  Happy days.

[Andymitzy 697]

On 27/08/2023 at 21:04, andywilliams11872 said:

Lets be honest here - the casino, and Rolla were fully aware that the intention of partnering with ANY crypto  casino was not because they think he is a good guy or anything like that; it was to utilise him as a promoter based on the number of people who are on his forum and regularly watch his streams/videos and youtube content. They know full well that people are using VPN's to use the site, and for the most part let it go. 

@Kings lynn I do agree that this is a gambling forum and no one is forced to join up. The problem (from my side) is that in the past there have been so many arguments on here regarding responsible gaming etc. and doing everything that the mods can do to protect players/stay away from crypto. I remember a couple of years ago (when I had my old account) that there was a community buy-in that was arranged by @Blacko - everyone was going to chip in £50 and split whatever was won (or lost) at the end. The kick offs on the forum were unreal with people saying its not fair on those who want to enter but are on gamstop as they are being given an oppurtunity to navigate around it and this forum is all for responsible gaming etc. In the end rolla covered the cost and gave hackz the money to do a community stream to keep everyone happy. 

Now it's partnering with crypto. 

In all honest im not too arsed about the crypto thing; its more the way its being advertised on a gambling site that also pushes responsible gaming. 

let’s do a chip in ladsssssss haha

[andywilliams11872 70]

22 minutes ago, Andymitzy said:

let’s do a chip in ladsssssss haha

no reason to stop it to be fair, the site now supports non-gamstop casinos so why not lol

[lucy_tgc 1,667]

4 hours ago, el_chupacabra said:

i signed up when i saw the casino rolla was playing at as i think he is straight.

long story short,i won over 25k from a 200 euro deposit.withdrew it and came back the next day to check its status.

they have totally blocked my account giving no reason whatsoever,wont answer email,cant log in,when i go on live chat they instantly close it when i give them my details.

im in ireland btw and reading the reviews after the fact which i should and normally do beforehand,i would have stayed clear,but didnt because i saw rollas banner.and trusted it

absolute joke,so if this saves people getting fisted so be it.

 

I know it's a long shot but have you tried messaging @Rocknrolla or @MrUKHackz privately to see if they can help you get your money. I know they probably won't be able to do much but it's worth a try, especially if you signed up through the sites link.

I hope you get paid out but it's the sad reality of playing on these unregulated casinos.

[Blacko 12,482]

4 hours ago, el_chupacabra said:

i signed up when i saw the casino rolla was playing at as i think he is straight.

long story short,i won over 25k from a 200 euro deposit.withdrew it and came back the next day to check its status.

they have totally blocked my account giving no reason whatsoever,wont answer email,cant log in,when i go on live chat they instantly close it when i give them my details.

im in ireland btw and reading the reviews after the fact which i should and normally do beforehand,i would have stayed clear,but didnt because i saw rollas banner.and trusted it

absolute joke,so if this saves people getting fisted so be it.

 

I don’t see any reason why they should withhold your winnings, that just isn’t right. Drop a pm to @MrUKHackz, he will get an answer for you.

[Blacko 12,482]

1 hour ago, Andymitzy said:

let’s do a chip in ladsssssss haha

I took fucking pelters for that

[andywilliams11872 70]

8 minutes ago, Blacko said:

I took fucking pelters for that

yeah but that was due to responsible gaming issues, which now don't apply, so we should be able to do it 

[Nostradamus 36]

1 hour ago, andywilliams11872 said:

no reason to stop it to be fair, the site now supports non-gamstop casinos so why not lol

Andy your ex military would i be right in thinking?

So maybe this is a little Blue on Blue, i agree in the most what you say, its to be fair hard not to, however there was a famous song you may remember as you seem to be a font of knowledge on every topic, the song was by the Propellor Heads in 1997, i watched and read the way things went many years ago on BIAM you were the font of all knowledge there, again hard to disagree what you used to say, you offered help, you did help a few infact you were a very active member, joyful,fun etc.

Then someone or something flicked the switch and you were anti BIAM and from where i was standing things went a little awry, you went out like a good soldier should always do, on your sword, you then came back and this went on for a short while only for you to (under that name) leave.

As i say its a great song and probably knowing you, you will have a little antidote about it or fun fact but if by the slimmest of margins you have not heard of it give it a listen.

 

 

 

[Blacko 12,482]

On 27/08/2023 at 18:02, 1pstaker said:

I don't know how long it has been there, but I see @Rocknrolla is now affiliated with his latest site. (It's in the promoted casino page) It says no UK players, but let's face it, he is a UK player himself so in essence is saying it is ok. Sorry to say, but that's me done with the site. Its been a blast, and I have met some wonderful people here. Thanks everyone, see you around. 

You’re going nowhere fannybaws, don’t run off, debate it. Anyway the small print states you can’t leave till you’ve viewed over 200 @Solario333 home cooked meals.

[Nostradamus 36]

3 minutes ago, Blacko said:

You’re going nowhere fannybaws, don’t run off, debate it. Anyway the small print states you can’t leave till you’ve viewed over 200 @Solario333 home cooked meals.

Talking of the great font of wisdom maube he is on a particularly good run, with his stable of ladies, but being who i am, i would have forseen a response of somekind from Solario, maybe as its Winter coming up, he is busy, yes thats why im sure, i went to a local gardening centre but yesterday, to purchase 5 large terracotta flower pot, NONE apparently some dapper looking man, came in with an entourage of hot young ladies and cleared them out, a pattern that is happening all over the Surrey area.....

[andywilliams11872 70]

21 minutes ago, Nostradamus said:

Andy your ex military would i be right in thinking?

So maybe this is a little Blue on Blue, i agree in the most what you say, its to be fair hard not to, however there was a famous song you may remember as you seem to be a font of knowledge on every topic, the song was by the Propellor Heads in 1997, i watched and read the way things went many years ago on BIAM you were the font of all knowledge there, again hard to disagree what you used to say, you offered help, you did help a few infact you were a very active member, joyful,fun etc.

Then someone or something flicked the switch and you were anti BIAM and from where i was standing things went a little awry, you went out like a good soldier should always do, on your sword, you then came back and this went on for a short while only for you to (under that name) leave.

As i say its a great song and probably knowing you, you will have a little antidote about it or fun fact but if by the slimmest of margins you have not heard of it give it a listen.

 

 

 

To be fair sir you stumped me with that one - I can only assume its the old history repeating song. interestingly it's not the first time someone has mentioned a song, a good freind of mine told me to listen to the Hamsters It is what it is lol. 

Yes I was very active at BIAM and helped a lot of people out. It all came to ahead one day when a couple of people said they were going to come to my house to teach me a lesson lol. I sat up all night waiting for them to come and the shit bags didnt turn up. After that I just though fuck it i can't be bothered anymore. 

My issue is that I call things as I see it, some people like that, some don't, but I am always straight with people. But when something doesn't sit right with me I will call it out. I don't intend to do it in any sort of aggressive way and I have met a few people from the forum in the past and they will attest to that - been out with @Blacko in sunny scotland etc. and he knows what i am like. 

[crazyrightmeow 4,589]

7 hours ago, el_chupacabra said:

i signed up when i saw the casino rolla was playing at as i think he is straight.

long story short,i won over 25k from a 200 euro deposit.withdrew it and came back the next day to check its status.

they have totally blocked my account giving no reason whatsoever,wont answer email,cant log in,when i go on live chat they instantly close it when i give them my details.

im in ireland btw and reading the reviews after the fact which i should and normally do beforehand,i would have stayed clear,but didnt because i saw rollas banner.and trusted it

absolute joke,so if this saves people getting fisted so be it.

 

Any proof of that like screenshots etc. ?

[Blacko 12,482]

2 hours ago, andywilliams11872 said:

To be fair sir you stumped me with that one - I can only assume its the old history repeating song. interestingly it's not the first time someone has mentioned a song, a good freind of mine told me to listen to the Hamsters It is what it is lol. 

Yes I was very active at BIAM and helped a lot of people out. It all came to ahead one day when a couple of people said they were going to come to my house to teach me a lesson lol. I sat up all night waiting for them to come and the shit bags didnt turn up. After that I just though fuck it i can't be bothered anymore. 

My issue is that I call things as I see it, some people like that, some don't, but I am always straight with people. But when something doesn't sit right with me I will call it out. I don't intend to do it in any sort of aggressive way and I have met a few people from the forum in the past and they will attest to that - been out with @Blacko in sunny scotland etc. and he knows what i am like. 

Yes indeed we did hardman, Edinburgh city centre a few years back. If my memory serves me correct you were a tall, bald headed scouser wearing a crucifix that was larger than the one Jesus carried. Ex army, intelligent. I’ve also met @Gkell727, instantly charming. 

Edited August 29 by Blacko

[Andymitzy 697]

5 hours ago, andywilliams11872 said:

no reason to stop it to be fair, the site now supports non-gamstop casinos so why not lol

let’s have it then weekend

[Kings lynn 184]

5 hours ago, Blacko said:

I took fucking pelters for that

Get the chip in up and running hardman! I’m up for it