Trialling Crypto Site

[Rocknrolla 5,353]

So as the title says I am looking into playing on a crypto site, something which I didnt think I would be doing for quite some time if at all! Nothing has been 100% decided yet but thought I would just air my thoughts on it.

All the changes the UKGC implemented never really had a detrimental impact on how I played or where and even though a lot of the checks were a ball ache you could still appreciate the benefits of having those checks in place. It wasn't until about a month or so ago when my main few sites I would play on restricted me to a point where I couldn't play/deposit. I looked elsewhere for non crypto sites and have since been screwed by three out of the four I found which I'll go into more on another thread, but that was the last straw for me as those sites were utter shite anyway! Losing those sums to basically scam casinos really hurt me (my own fault) but I would never had done that had I had at least one decent place I could play.

Since then I've re-evaluated the very small amount of options I have left and this is the one I'm going to have a look at and test. There's a number of ways to do it but the deal I'm looking at is to stream/make videos in return for deposit bonuses and a fee. I also wouldn't be using a vpn so would have to travel to do it. You'll no I'm no expert affiliate and do wayyyyy below even the very least you'd expect but in doing this the site costs me a lot more than it returns so I also have to consider this. As if I don't come up with a solution then the site will need to be closed down.

This hasn't been a decision I've come to lightly and I know some people will leave the forum and youtube subs will also unsub but the current uk gambling situation is changing and from what I can see there's only a few left who havent gone to crypto. The likes of Neymar, Drake etc streaming crypto now with over 100,000,000 followers just on twitter alone show where its going. Some of the new regulations look to be loosening up on uk land based casinos so I'm hopeful in the future they realise what they've done and ease up a bit on online. I'll still use up my small allowance I've been given on 21casino and if I win I can possibly just stream from there until it goes negative. I'm not worried about the one site I choose but more the crypto world in general as once you signup to one it opens the door to 100's more so I won't be taking this lightly either and if I can't control then that will be the end to my crypto casino time.

Like I said I'm yet to even play on one and it may not be for me but as I know is big topic at the moment wanted to be open about it with you

 

[david1111 18,029]

@Rocknrolla

Im not sure how to react to be honest.

Some people have said on here that there are some reputable crypto casinos which may be the case but im assuming anyone can still play even those on gamstop. 

Thats been my worry all along as you have a lot of respect from a lot of people and watching you playing crypto may well encourage them to play.

Ever since tgc started crypto has pretty much been a dirty word and we have removed any  suggestion of these sites.

I appreciate things move on, but it's down to the over regulated UK market. So they have kind of shot themselves in the foot as the vulnerable gamblers have suddenly become that little bit more vulnerable.

 

 

[Rocknrolla 5,353]

1 minute ago, david1111 said:

@Rocknrolla

Im not sure how to react to be honest.

Some people have said on here that there are some reputable crypto casinos which may be the case but im assuming anyone can still play even those on gamstop. 

Thats been my worry all along as you have a lot of respect from a lot of people and watching you playing crypto may well encourage them to play.

Ever since tgc started crypto has pretty much been a dirty word and we have removed any  suggestion of these sites.

I appreciate things move on, but it's down to the over regulated UK market. So they have kind of shot themselves in the foot as the vulnerable gamblers have suddenly become that little bit more vulnerable.

 

 

I'm still not sure how to react myself, never really had a good word to say about crypto gambling and still think is a dirty place at the moment but I also never thought I'd get to a point where I couldn't play anywhere in the uk. I also think had I not had the recent experiences of other non crypto uk online casinos then this scenario would be a lot further down the line if at all! 

 

[david1111 18,029]

6 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

I'm still not sure how to react myself, never really had a good word to say about crypto gambling and still think is a dirty place at the moment but I also never thought I'd get to a point where I couldn't play anywhere in the uk. I also think had I not had the recent experiences of other non crypto uk online casinos then this scenario would be a lot further down the line if at all! 

 

That's the ludicrous thing isn't it.

The ukgc overkill has caused this situation by clueless people making these decisions who don't really understand gamblers at all

[Aarongeorge1989 726]

@Rocknrolla I’m happy to support you in whatever decision you make going forward and I know it will have not been made without great consideration. 
 

the world is moving forward and crypto is the way it’s going, there are now some really decent crypto sites which will actually be better than a lot of casinos under the ukgc. 
 

like you say the streams and this site cost money and if you can get a fee & deposit bonus to help with costs it makes sense to go for it. 
 

 

[philinvicta 11,269]

I understand your need to have a bet @Rocknrolla   but as  you have found out this is a very murky world  where  you have been turned over for some serious funds when you stray off the safe path.  I know there  are some supposedly "better" crypto casinos but lets be honest many of these are only setting up to get around the restrictions to allow people to bet who are being restricted by the regulations in the UK. I believe that many of the streaming people are playing on there due to the deals they are getting and like I said on the other thread to keep the money coming in because they do not fancy rejoining "the real world of proper jobs".   

I accept that the site costs a lot of money to run but I think many people follow you because they trust your judgement and accept the you are a decent guy who is not just in it to make as much as he can from his followers. The problem I see is that many if not all of the sites will not just allow those who are being restricted like your self who do not have conventional incomes and so  find it harder to get through the UKGC hoops but also  people who have self excluded or are on GAMSTOP and GAMBAN  thus exposing all of those people to get themselves in trouble again.

To be honest even though I use the site a lot I ( and I mean no disrespect to @MrUKHackz) I would rather see the site closed down than see followers exposed to the dangers of unregulated sites.  

I hope that you manage to find a solution that  works for you  and I accept that by the time the government gets its act together with its gambling review it could be too long to be left in limbo.

[hellakytta 187]

Rolla you are been unique casino streamer since beginning of the stream days and you always been special for legit playing with real money and showing the emotions and living with it not just being braindead paid actor to roll slots and scream like a retard after win, you all know what i mean here... anyways im just bit scared if you decide the crypto route that you could end up like the other crypto streamers becouse im pretty sure you'll get your ass paid off with $$$ if you "sell" yourself to them.

Anyways still gonna watch you as far as i can, becouse you also have helped me and probably many others to NOT play degen.. Trying to watch these fake streams gives me nothing expect disgust, but you, i can live within your playing and feel excited and bad etc for you. blabla but yeah.. 

 

Hope you don't get changed!!

[Fudge 1,676]

You're being scammed by someone if this site costs you a lot more than it gives, unless you count giveaways, which you're not obliged to do. Website hosting is a lot cheaper than it used to and this website doesn't have that much traffic. Please share how much does it cost to run this site.

 

About the crypto stuff. I'm thankful for the entertainment that you have given me and for this website, but I'm out if you're going the crypto affiliation road. My opinion doesn't matter, you have to do what's best for your family and I wish you the best.

[Kings lynn 137]

This was always going to generate different opinions, I think what everyone can agree on is you’re a decent bloke and if the ukgc hadn’t closed all doors on you that you would still be on the casinos you’ve played on for years. 
 

The whole crypto thing is new to many and people don’t like change, I’m sure the exact same opinions were voiced by punters when online casinos game around and all people had before that we’re betting shops. 
 

I think you’re doing the right thing and change is needed to move forward. But If I see you growing your hair and wearing a fedora hat I will be suspicious  

until then bring on the streams! I think you’re making the right choice. 

[crazyrightmeow 4,519]

If you play with your own money I dont see a problem if you play on crypto. Regarding gamstop and gamban, you cannot protect everyone from themselves. If we look at this thing from that prespective, we should ban pubs as well and stop supporting everyone that drinks. So many people die every year because that, but we still go to pubs or buy alcohol and share it on forum or social media. By doing that we help the whole industry create and influence more alcohol addicts right? You see the hipocracy? It is same shit or even worse since health and life is more important than money. I could state even more examples but I think you get the point.

I also see crypto casinos as the future of online gambling unless somehow some power will shut it down by I dont see how. Imo they already took.over the industry, even slot providers are giving exclusive promotions and collabing with crypto streamers when new slots come out.

Imo do what you have to do if it is the only way to go in the future as a streamer and a gambler.

 

 

 

[Fudge 1,676]

14 minutes ago, crazyrightmeow said:

If you play with your own money I dont see a problem if you play on crypto.

You said he would make millions going down the crypto affiliation road, so not sure how is this his money? It's not really gambling if you make money in the end anyways.

Edited May 26 by Fudge

[Aarongeorge1989 726]

15 minutes ago, Fudge said:

You said he would make millions going down the crypto affiliation road, so not sure how is this his money? It's not really gambling if you make money in the end anyways.

I think you’ve misunderstood a little mate, he’s getting a small fee to promote the casino which will help with streams and the running of this site & some Bonuses to be able to do more streams. He’s not going to end up like roshstien playing with Fun money. 
 

 

[philinvicta 11,269]

Good news  is I understand that @Blacko   and the crew have had a whip round and have also managed to get @Rocknrolla    a stream with Drake

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Fudge 1,676]

29 minutes ago, Aarongeorge1989 said:

I think you’ve misunderstood a little mate, he’s getting a small fee to promote the casino which will help with streams and the running of this site & some Bonuses to be able to do more streams. He’s not going to end up like roshstien playing with Fun money. 
 

 

I don't know anything about how much streamers make, but it seems that for most of them it's like a job. They might even play with real money, but since their affiliate income is probably more than deposit then it's no risk gambling.

I don't know what rolla is planning to do, he's pretty open about how much he's losing, but he doesn't really share how much he makes from affiliation. We only know that it's much less than other streamers with similar popularity.

Edited May 26 by Fudge

[1pstaker 12,337]

Playing Crypto site at your own risk is one thing. And if thats what you want to do to satisfy your own degenarate gambling, the risks associated with it are yours to take. Basically advertising it, or god forbid, asking for sign ups, is something else entirely. Most reasoning been highlighted already so I wont repeat it. I get the impression Bandit is already exploring it via someone called lucky devil slots, who is my opinion in some way sponsored by Bandit. You had Jimbo and Craig do it, and very blatantly too, giving a step by step guide on how  to use a VPN ffs. Disgusting behaviour from them two. What will your action be when one of your sign ups approaches you saying "I deposited 5k the last 3 month and finally got lucky and won 6k today. However, they telling me as I use a VPN I cant withdraw and have closed my account". I tell you what it will be, nothing, as there is zero you can do. But I put this to you Rolla, unlike the others fudgers out there, you will feel something called guilt for encouraging someone to play there. Can you live with that for money? That is not who you are. 

And one other thing...I dont expect answers as it is personal, but you been very sensible (or at least said you have been and I believe you) in that when you have won big, you have given the majority of it to the Mrs. Now you have had some HUGE hits down the years, and if that is the case, you Mrs must be sitting on a pretty hefty sum of money for your future. As such, my suggestion is, forget gambling altogether, live your life, enjoy your kids growing up, and leave this all behind. You only got one life, most of us here have ruined our own  in some form or another through gambling. Be what you always were, different. Wake up tomorrow, close the site down close every gambling account down, and say bonjour to it all. 

 

[david1111 18,029]

That's probably the first time I've seen you quite animated @1pstaker.  You obviously feel strongly about it.

I've watched crypto streamers before and my god you can lose a shed load of money very very quickly. 

Imo you need a huge bankroll to sustain it

Edited May 26 by david1111

[hellakytta 187]

I want to add that as i myself know top tier crypto casinos themselves are trusthworthy in terms of withdrawals etc and they even offer cooldowns etc so thumbs up for the trial from me, but you yourself know it then is it the proper way or absolute shit in the end.

 

What ever you decide, just dont quit streaming forever 

Edited May 26 by hellakytta

[Rocknrolla 5,353]

3 hours ago, philinvicta said:

I understand your need to have a bet @Rocknrolla   but as  you have found out this is a very murky world  where  you have been turned over for some serious funds when you stray off the safe path.  I know there  are some supposedly "better" crypto casinos but lets be honest many of these are only setting up to get around the restrictions to allow people to bet who are being restricted by the regulations in the UK. I believe that many of the streaming people are playing on there due to the deals they are getting and like I said on the other thread to keep the money coming in because they do not fancy rejoining "the real world of proper jobs".   

I accept that the site costs a lot of money to run but I think many people follow you because they trust your judgement and accept the you are a decent guy who is not just in it to make as much as he can from his followers. The problem I see is that many if not all of the sites will not just allow those who are being restricted like your self who do not have conventional incomes and so  find it harder to get through the UKGC hoops but also  people who have self excluded or are on GAMSTOP and GAMBAN  thus exposing all of those people to get themselves in trouble again.

To be honest even though I use the site a lot I ( and I mean no disrespect to @MrUKHackz) I would rather see the site closed down than see followers exposed to the dangers of unregulated sites.  

I hope that you manage to find a solution that  works for you  and I accept that by the time the government gets its act together with its gambling review it could be too long to be left in limbo.

For me at the moment though its all a very murky world, banks close me down, blacklisted, banned, cant stream, not being paid out, making minus every month and thats all while supposedly doing things the right way?! 

[Rocknrolla 5,353]

3 hours ago, hellakytta said:

Rolla you are been unique casino streamer since beginning of the stream days and you always been special for legit playing with real money and showing the emotions and living with it not just being braindead paid actor to roll slots and scream like a retard after win, you all know what i mean here... anyways im just bit scared if you decide the crypto route that you could end up like the other crypto streamers becouse im pretty sure you'll get your ass paid off with $$$ if you "sell" yourself to them.

Anyways still gonna watch you as far as i can, becouse you also have helped me and probably many others to NOT play degen.. Trying to watch these fake streams gives me nothing expect disgust, but you, i can live within your playing and feel excited and bad etc for you. blabla but yeah.. 

 

Hope you don't get changed!!

Money wise I'm yet to see or be offered anything crazy, I'm quite known to most but more as a non affiliate whistle blower then anything ha

[philinvicta 11,269]

18 minutes ago, hellakytta said:

I want to add that as i myself know top tier crypto casinos themselves are trusthworthy in terms of withdrawals etc and they even offer cooldowns etc so thumbs up for the trial from me, but you yourself know it then is it the proper way or absolute shit in the end.

 

What ever you decide, just dont quit streaming forever 

You may feel they are trustworthy but you must remember that if as a UK resident if you gamble with a UK licenced casino  then they have to pay you and if they do not you can sue them.  

I am sure that many of these casinos are not UK licenced  and   people have no comeback.. 

How many of these so called reputable crypto  trading sites have disappeared with people money.

[Rocknrolla 5,353]

2 hours ago, Fudge said:

You're being scammed by someone if this site costs you a lot more than it gives, unless you count giveaways, which you're not obliged to do. Website hosting is a lot cheaper than it used to and this website doesn't have that much traffic. Please share how much does it cost to run this site.

 

About the crypto stuff. I'm thankful for the entertainment that you have given me and for this website, but I'm out if you're going the crypto affiliation road. My opinion doesn't matter, you have to do what's best for your family and I wish you the best.

I'm not sure the total cost but the site doesn't bring in more than 1k in a month, then I have a full time staff member, hosting costs, accountant, taxes, licenses etc

[Rocknrolla 5,353]

2 hours ago, Kings lynn said:

This was always going to generate different opinions, I think what everyone can agree on is you’re a decent bloke and if the ukgc hadn’t closed all doors on you that you would still be on the casinos you’ve played on for years. 
 

The whole crypto thing is new to many and people don’t like change, I’m sure the exact same opinions were voiced by punters when online casinos game around and all people had before that we’re betting shops. 
 

I think you’re doing the right thing and change is needed to move forward. But If I see you growing your hair and wearing a fedora hat I will be suspicious  

until then bring on the streams! I think you’re making the right choice. 

haha cheers

[Rocknrolla 5,353]

2 hours ago, crazyrightmeow said:

If you play with your own money I dont see a problem if you play on crypto. Regarding gamstop and gamban, you cannot protect everyone from themselves. If we look at this thing from that prespective, we should ban pubs as well and stop supporting everyone that drinks. So many people die every year because that, but we still go to pubs or buy alcohol and share it on forum or social media. By doing that we help the whole industry create and influence more alcohol addicts right? You see the hipocracy? It is same shit or even worse since health and life is more important than money. I could state even more examples but I think you get the point.

I also see crypto casinos as the future of online gambling unless somehow some power will shut it down by I dont see how. Imo they already took.over the industry, even slot providers are giving exclusive promotions and collabing with crypto streamers when new slots come out.

Imo do what you have to do if it is the only way to go in the future as a streamer and a gambler.

 

 

 

Always with own money, even if I wanted to it would be easy to see 

[philinvicta 11,269]

2 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

For me at the moment though its all a very murky world, banks close me down, blacklisted, banned, cant stream, not being paid out, making minus every month and thats all while supposedly doing things the right way?! 

Surely this is only the gambling though that you struggle with surely your affiliate money still gets paid to your business.  I would expect to it to only get worse because I believe that a future government is likely to clamp down even harder.  Imagine if a government banned affiliation  income being paid by casinos and any gambling company.

[Rocknrolla 5,353]

44 minutes ago, 1pstaker said:

Playing Crypto site at your own risk is one thing. And if thats what you want to do to satisfy your own degenarate gambling, the risks associated with it are yours to take. Basically advertising it, or god forbid, asking for sign ups, is something else entirely. Most reasoning been highlighted already so I wont repeat it. I get the impression Bandit is already exploring it via someone called lucky devil slots, who is my opinion in some way sponsored by Bandit. You had Jimbo and Craig do it, and very blatantly too, giving a step by step guide on how  to use a VPN ffs. Disgusting behaviour from them two. What will your action be when one of your sign ups approaches you saying "I deposited 5k the last 3 month and finally got lucky and won 6k today. However, they telling me as I use a VPN I cant withdraw and have closed my account". I tell you what it will be, nothing, as there is zero you can do. But I put this to you Rolla, unlike the others fudgers out there, you will feel something called guilt for encouraging someone to play there. Can you live with that for money? That is not who you are. 

And one other thing...I dont expect answers as it is personal, but you been very sensible (or at least said you have been and I believe you) in that when you have won big, you have given the majority of it to the Mrs. Now you have had some HUGE hits down the years, and if that is the case, you Mrs must be sitting on a pretty hefty sum of money for your future. As such, my suggestion is, forget gambling altogether, live your life, enjoy your kids growing up, and leave this all behind. You only got one life, most of us here have ruined our own  in some form or another through gambling. Be what you always were, different. Wake up tomorrow, close the site down close every gambling account down, and say bonjour to it all. 

 

In terms of someone playing there that shouldnt and not getting paid is one of the scenarios I'll be asking whatever site I use. In terms of encouraging I think it's quite broad as I've been accused and been blamed for people losing on roulette, slots, poker, fobts the lot and thats been regardless of where I've played. I think the majority of my audience is very different to most and would all have similar journeys to people on here and I can't imagine any of you that are against crypto streams are suddenly going to be signing up to one because I have.

Yes when winning big majority of the time I've been sensible but the losses add up over time so there isnt a big sum sitting there, I still have a mortage. The last six months I did mostly give up gambling and found it pretty impossible to fill that gap with anything that comes to the thrill of it.