Mav777 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Hi everyone I'm new here and pretty new to online betting. I have two questions about bets, hopefully you can help 1. Basically opened an account with bet365 and put a the £50 free bet on Napoli winning or coming second so £25 each way, the odds were 16-1 I won but bet365 only paid me £533? I just thought it was because I did an eachway bet as I'll explain the second bet. (Photo attached) 2. Again I did an accumulator and the bet said close to £20k win, I did it again each way but since Sheffield finished second the bet has gone down to £900+, I've emailed bet365 who said that I didn't do it eachway but I definitely did and it's in the history and even says eachway, I'm totally confused on how it's gone that low even with Sheffield finishing second and the odds lowering, bet365 said that as Sheffield finished second they are regarded as placed?? And that all the teams are placed odds now or words to that affect??. Please help as I'm really confused and don't want to be ripped off, loads of things happening as well on bet365 video freezing, issues with cashout lots, I've spent quite a bit too to get these bets and most probably will come out slightly in front, if I got the big one £20k then it would be massive in my life atm. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mav777 said: Hi everyone I'm new here and pretty new to online betting. I have two questions about bets, hopefully you can help 1. Basically opened an account with bet365 and put a the £50 free bet on Napoli winning or coming second so £25 each way, the odds were 16-1 I won but bet365 only paid me £533? I just thought it was because I did an eachway bet as I'll explain the second bet. (Photo attached) 2. Again I did an accumulator and the bet said close to £20k win, I did it again each way but since Sheffield finished second the bet has gone down to £900+, I've emailed bet365 who said that I didn't do it eachway but I definitely did and it's in the history and even says eachway, I'm totally confused on how it's gone that low even with Sheffield finishing second and the odds lowering, bet365 said that as Sheffield finished second they are regarded as placed?? And that all the teams are placed odds now or words to that affect??. Please help as I'm really confused and don't want to be ripped off, loads of things happening as well on bet365 video freezing, issues with cashout lots, I've spent quite a bit too to get these bets and most probably will come out slightly in front, if I got the big one £20k then it would be massive in my life atm. Thanks 25 each way at 16/1 is 25 win at 16/1 ie 425 and 25 at a place of 16/5 ie 105 which is 530 so you have been paid correctly. If they do not win but place then you only get the place part ie 105 as the win bet is a loser. The sums to come are only if all of the bets win if you do an each way accum then you need all of the teams to win or otherwise they all need to place to get the place part of the accum. If one of the teams is unplaced and all of the rest win you still get nothing back, In the cases you show you still need Borussia Dortmund to get a place as a minimum to get anything back, even if they win it will not mean you get any more because the win part of the bet is already lost because Sheffield Utd lost. This means you get nothing from the other teams winning apart from the place part of the bet. You have done it each way which is why you get something back if Borussia Dortmund get a place ( winning is a place) Basically it is two bets one of all to win and one of all to place. You only get the big bucks if they all win. Also as I said you are not getting 16/1 if they place you get place odds which are a fifth or a quarter e g 16/5 Edited May 24, 2023 by philinvicta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Actually just seen that the Borussia Dortmund bet is win only which means they have to win ( this is why they told you that you did not do them each way ) read the bet you did all the others for a place but Dortmund to win only. That means if they are overtaken by Bayern Munich you get nothing at all back. Also the place terms are in the bet Napoli 1/3 two places ( ie first or second only ) Barca 1/3 two places Sheffield United 1/4 three places Dortmund win only and Argentina 1/2 two places. Place odds will move as the season or tournament goes on and their are less teams involved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, philinvicta said: 25 each way at 16/1 is 25 win at 16/1 ie 425 and 25 at a place of 16/5 ie 105 which is 530 so you have been paid correctly. If they do not win but place then you only get the place part ie 105 as the win bet is a loser. The sums to come are only if all of the bets win if you do an each way accum then you need all of the teams to win or otherwise they all need to place to get the place part of the accum. If one of the teams is unplaced and all of the rest win you still get nothing back, In the cases you show you still need Borussia Dortmund to get a place as a minimum to get anything back, even if they win it will not mean you get any more because the win part of the bet is already lost because Sheffield Utd lost. This means you get nothing from the other teams winning apart from the place part of the bet. You have done it each way which is why you get something back if Borussia Dortmund get a place ( winning is a place) Basically it is two bets one of all to win and one of all to place. You only get the big bucks if they all win. Also as I said you are not getting 16/1 if they place you get place odds which are a fifth or a quarter e g 16/5 I see from further down the 25 each ways is on Napoli at 16/1 with odds of 1/3 and you used bet credits The bets is settled at 25 win at 16/1 which is 400 because you do not get the free bet money refunded you only get paid the winnings the place bet is 25 at odds of 16/3 which is 5 1/3 at 25 which is 133.33 thus 400 plus 133,33 is a win of 533.33 Edited May 24, 2023 by philinvicta 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 @Mav777 Welcome to the forum And what @philinvicta said is spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaLad Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 hour ago, philinvicta said: I see from further down the 25 each ways is on Napoli at 16/1 with odds of 1/3 and you used bet credits The bets is settled at 25 win at 16/1 which is 400 because you do not get the free bet money refunded you only get paid the winnings the place bet is 25 at odds of 16/3 which is 5 1/3 at 25 which is 133.33 thus 400 plus 133,33 is a win of 533.33 Carol Vorderman over here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 2 hours ago, VillaLad said: Carol Vorderman over here I had to use my calculator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pstaker Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 May be a daft question, but how can you mix a win only selection into an Ew accumulator? Surely the whole bet is Ew or win only? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaLad Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, 1pstaker said: May be a daft question, but how can you mix a win only selection into an Ew accumulator? Surely the whole bet is Ew or win only? Good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, 1pstaker said: May be a daft question, but how can you mix a win only selection into an Ew accumulator? Surely the whole bet is Ew or win only? It could be a win only market. The same thing happens in an each way horse bet that ends up as four runners or less , the place money goes on the win. These bets look like they were done "in running" hence the reduced places . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 One thing is for sure with all the winners he would have been better off in an area of the country where I believe some bookies still do an equally divided bet. Ie the winnings get divided equally onto the next part. Obviously it pays less than a win to win accum if they all win but in this case where he only had one loser in Sheffield United he would get more winnings. Most bookies only do win to win and place to place accums especially online. I have never seen equally divided as an option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav777 Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 24 minutes ago, 1pstaker said: May be a daft question, but how can you mix a win only selection into an Ew accumulator? Surely the whole bet is Ew or win only? Exactly what I thought, and why put it like that with winnings of 19k, as if you calculate all wins I'm sure it comes up as more?, I thought I would get a tick by Sheffield as they came second and just their odds would be reduced? Which may bring it down to 6k or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav777 Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, philinvicta said: It could be a win only market. The same thing happens in an each way horse bet that ends up as four runners or less , the place money goes on the win. These bets look like they were done "in running" hence the reduced places . Thanks guys for all the help btw, getting stressed about this, the first couple of times I win and it all goes pear shaped, should have seen my face when it went from £19k to £900 It wasn't a win only market though as they all had the option of placements, and it was a football ticket and not horses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaLad Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Mav777 said: Exactly what I thought, and why put it like that with winnings of 19k, as if you calculate all wins I'm sure it comes up as more?, I thought I would get a tick by Sheffield as they came second and just their odds would be reduced? Which may bring it down to 6k or so? Na on bet365 if you do Ew on a horse for instance and it finishes 2nd it will show a red x only green ticks for winner as far as I’m aware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav777 Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 3 hours ago, VillaLad said: Carol Vorderman over here Perfect thanks that makes total sense, at least I don't feel ripped off 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav777 Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 Just now, VillaLad said: Na on bet365 if you do Ew on a horse for instance and it finishes 2nd it will show a red x only green ticks for winner as far as I’m aware Fair enough, I didn't know that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, philinvicta said: It could be a win only market. The same thing happens in an each way horse bet that ends up as four runners or less , the place money goes on the win. These bets look like they were done "in running" hence the reduced places . @1pstaker and @VillaLad I would add that some bookmaker rules would also make a place part where it goes onto win only as a void leg. I had this with Paddy Powers once where my horse even won and they voided the leg. Luckily I remembered that was their rule and when I had another one where the horse got beat on the win only leg and the others came in I went and demanded my money. This is one reason to be aware of bookmaker rules and to have a read from time to time about the rules on something that you are betting on. One thing is for sure they will not be rushing up in most cases to say oh by the way that bet you thought was a loser was in fact a winning bet due to the rules. One that used to catch a lot of people out was reduced payouts when you included a certain type of race. This is often the case with first past the post where there is often a "maximun benefit" clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaLad Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Mav777 said: It wasn't a win only market though as they all had the option of placements, and it was a football ticket and not horses? You must have pressed a wrong bet then cause it clearly says win only for the dortmund one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mav777 said: Exactly what I thought, and why put it like that with winnings of 19k, as if you calculate all wins I'm sure it comes up as more?, I thought I would get a tick by Sheffield as they came second and just their odds would be reduced? Which may bring it down to 6k or so? Well as they came second it gets reduced to zero as I explained above. Once one is beat the fact that all the others win does not win you a penny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav777 Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 minute ago, VillaLad said: You must have pressed a wrong bet then cause it clearly says win only for the dortmund one No I just basically looked at outrights, picked some teams that I liked and then went for Dortmund when they were miles out to spike the bet, all the other teams had E/W next to them but Dortmund was win only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaLad Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 @Mav777 what I will say is in future don’t place a bet that you don’t understand. Either come here n ask for advice or google the bet you wanna do. There’s no such thing as a silly question 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mav777 said: Thanks guys for all the help btw, getting stressed about this, the first couple of times I win and it all goes pear shaped, should have seen my face when it went from £19k to £900 It wasn't a win only market though as they all had the option of placements, and it was a football ticket and not horses? That just means you did not press the each way option when you did the bet, the bet clearly shows win only as the people at bet365 told you and you said they were wrong. Bet365 allows you to mix all sorts of different terms together in a bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav777 Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, philinvicta said: Well as they came second it gets reduced to zero as I explained above. Once one is beat the fact that all the others win does not win you a penny. I'm confused so I shouldnt have anything? Or are you saying the win amount is right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav777 Posted May 24, 2023 Author Share Posted May 24, 2023 Just now, philinvicta said: That just means you did not press the each way option when you did the bet, the bet clearly shows win only as the people at bet365 told you and you said they were wrong. Bet365 allows you to mix all sorts of different terms together in a bet Yes I also pressed the eachway option on the main bet, as I placed £1 and it asked for £2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 Just now, Mav777 said: No I just basically looked at outrights, picked some teams that I liked and then went for Dortmund when they were miles out to spike the bet, all the other teams had E/W next to them but Dortmund was win only. But you have to select the each way option otherwise it is win only. Every selection is done seperately. It is not like writing a slip in a betting office where you write win only or each way accum on the slip and all the selections are the same. Also as I said you can select a market that is win only and still include it in an each way accum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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