Rolla going to Crypto

[Chair Slots 3,044]

My thoughts on Rolla going to Crypto (for what it's worth)

So with the bollocks the UKGC are pulling at the moment, and Paul being unable to play properly on any legit site, he himself says he has two options:

1) Relocate.

2) Go to crypto.

Obviously he has a third option to stop gambling altogether, but he's a born gambler and it sounds like he doesn't want to do that.

So regarding relocating - he can't use a VPN as he said himself as it would be obvious he is using a green screen and the illusion would be blown immediately. And I doubt he would want to uproot his family to Ireland or Malta so that's not an option either.

Therefore crypto is the only viable option, but obviously for a proper gambler it comes with its very real dangers:

- No responsible gambling tools.

- Unlimited access to other accounts to sign up to in a heartbeat.

- Quick spinning and bonus buys, making tilting a lot easier.

As this is the case, the control part would have to come from his end, in terms of physical access to money. My mrs used to look after my bankroll for me when I gambled heavy, as I believe his did too. But she is less strict with him nowadays (as he said himself). So that would have to be tightened again.

One massive red flag for me on stream the other night was discussions about contacting a "rep", and potential affiliation. Now I'm sure no-one gives a shit about this but if Paul went down the affiliation route on crypto casinos that would be an immediate goodbye from me, from watching the streams and participating on here. Paul knows how much of a dirty world crypto gambling is, and exposing the dangers to himself is one thing. But going against everything he stands for and profiting from opening this world up to many problem/ compulsive gamblers would be a step too far for me.

We're literally talking costing people their lives. The two things don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. Just play and stream for the love of the game, as he has done for the last 1-2 years.

In an ideal world hope he finds a good casino, has systems in place to manage his play, and stays far away from the affiliation business.

I'd welcome everyone else's thoughts, *providing you're not a dickhead.

Cheers

[david1111 18,029]

As I mentioned earlier in the other thread, if rolla goes down the crypto route it will go against everything this site stands for.

This was the worry with the UKGC making the restrictions so tight that people looked elsewhere and the crypto market has taken full advantage.

Crypto is a dangerous game which can lead to catastrophe if you don't have the means to sustain it.

Rolla imo has always acted with integrity so I for one would be very surprised if he went down that route

[Chair Slots 3,044]

3 minutes ago, david1111 said:

As I mentioned earlier in the other thread, if rolla goes down the crypto route it will go against everything this site stands for.

This was the worry with the UKGC making the restrictions so tight that people looked elsewhere and the crypto market has taken full advantage.

Crypto is a dangerous game which can lead to catastrophe if you don't have the means to sustain it.

Rolla imo has always acted with integrity so I for one would be very surprised if he went down that route

Sorry mate I hadn't seen your other post. Glad you're on the same page about that 

[crazyrightmeow 4,519]

These days the "big and legit" crypto casinos, the ones you can play "safe on" all have the same tools like UKGC casinos other than gamstop. So for Paul would be exactly the same like it is now, since you can put deposit limits and everything else you can in any other casino. People still think crypto casinos are the same that they were on the start but the big ones actually evolved to the same standard as casinos with licenses but without hassle of SOW and limitations that are for you UK people horrible these days. He could also get bonuses on them like they were in the old days. You cannot just make new account on these bigger crypto casinos to play with anymore because you will get banned just like on licensed ones so that changed as well. I am sure there are plenty of smaller crypto casinos that dont do all that I mention but I am sure Paul would not play on those.

I gamble a lot, probably way too much, but of course on a lot smaller stakes than Paul and I can tell you that me playing on crypto or licensed casinos is practically the same and there is 0 difference for me. I actually lost much more on licensed ones because I dont get any promotions like rakeback\bonuses etc. Of course I am not from UK and I dont have the restrictions you guys have so it is a little difference since I can bonus buy and do all the deposits I want on MGA casinos just the same.

You can say that they could be dangerous to the problem gamblers and I agree, but those people always are trying to abuse and avoid gamstop etc. on any casino. We can see that every month when people come to the forum telling these stories and cry about casinos taking their money.

All that said imo, if Paul would be able to get bigger deposit limits on Mr vegas or any other casino like bandit has with parachute bonuses, that would probably the best and easiest option for him currently for the way he usually plays without having to relocate and play on cryptos. For his style of playing these bonuses are actually the best possible thing. If he builds the balance with his deposit he can cash out and if not there is an bonus hunt option with the bonus later. But I dont know if casino will be good with that and maybe stop offer bonus if it will be uses that way constantly.

In the end of the day it is his life and his decision and I wont make a change for me watching him or being in this community. From the ways he gambles I know he wont play with fake money and become an affiliate business like 99.9% of other streamers so there is 0 difference where he plays.

 

 

[MrUKHackz 14,923]

Those sites he was playing the other night with providers nobody has heard of are 1000% worse than the main crypto casino we all know of.

Times have changed, dramatically. 

[Bangers 13,691]

1 hour ago, david1111 said:

As I mentioned earlier in the other thread, if rolla goes down the crypto route it will go against everything this site stands for.

This was the worry with the UKGC making the restrictions so tight that people looked elsewhere and the crypto market has taken full advantage.

Crypto is a dangerous game which can lead to catastrophe if you don't have the means to sustain it.

Rolla imo has always acted with integrity so I for one would be very surprised if he went down that route

Decent fella is Paul so I aint firing any bullets - YET! 

But like it or not he DOES Influence certain people,  even I'll admit to be influenced ''at the very beginning''    when finding a live stream purely by accident 

What has always been a bit concerning is the people that  emulate him 

Top Post @david1111

 

[Bangers 13,691]

1 hour ago, Chair Slots said:

One massive red flag for me on stream the other night was discussions about contacting a "rep", and potential affiliation. Now I'm sure no-one gives a shit about this but if Paul went down the affiliation route on crypto casinos that would be an immediate goodbye from me, from watching the streams and participating on here. Paul knows how much of a dirty world crypto gambling is, and exposing the dangers to himself is one thing. But going against everything he stands for and profiting from opening this world up to many problem/ compulsive gamblers would be a step too far for me.

Purely as a ''Guess''

Id say that is really what it's all about.......... NEW affiliate deals 

Paul can correct me if I'm wrong 

[Fudge 1,676]

2 hours ago, Chair Slots said:

One massive red flag for me on stream the other night was discussions about contacting a "rep", and potential affiliation. Now I'm sure no-one gives a shit about this but if Paul went down the affiliation route on crypto casinos that would be an immediate goodbye from me, from watching the streams and participating on here.

I agree completely. I think going crypto affiliation road would be short-term gain for long term pain. He would lose the one thing that separates him from the rest.

[Solario333 11,424]

2 hours ago, david1111 said:

As I mentioned earlier in the other thread, if rolla goes down the crypto route it will go against everything this site stands for.

This was the worry with the UKGC making the restrictions so tight that people looked elsewhere and the crypto market has taken full advantage.

Crypto is a dangerous game which can lead to catastrophe if you don't have the means to sustain it.

Rolla imo has always acted with integrity so I for one would be very surprised if he went down that route

In the current gambling arena the areas of play have been highly restricted by the UKGC as banks are now restricting accounts that have heavy gambling commitments . You can't withdraw or deposit large amounts without interference from the new legislation re money laundering . This coercive control restricts our freedom to play and has led to many online casinos using crypto to evade the problem , with online wallets to hide the cash from prying uk eyes .   I understand the dilemma very well as I have closed all my online accounts for the same reason . its very difficult to stream effectively if your hands are tied in this way . So in my view Rolla has 2 options --- Wait until the whole financial apparatus collapses and cash is king again , or go crypto ..... neither is a good choice , but needs must .    Whatever Paul does someone will be unhappy , no doubt , but doing what is best for him and his family in the future is paramount and that will be a personal choice he and his family will make according to circumstance and liquidity .  I will support his decision unequivocally since his character is sound .   

 

[Chair Slots 3,044]

2 hours ago, crazyrightmeow said:

These days the "big and legit" crypto casinos, the ones you can play "safe on" all have the same tools like UKGC casinos other than gamstop. So for Paul would be exactly the same like it is now, since you can put deposit limits and everything else you can in any other casino. People still think crypto casinos are the same that they were on the start but the big ones actually evolved to the same standard as casinos with licenses but without hassle of SOW and limitations that are for you UK people horrible these days. He could also get bonuses on them like they were in the old days. You cannot just make new account on these bigger crypto casinos to play with anymore because you will get banned just like on licensed ones so that changed as well. I am sure there are plenty of smaller crypto casinos that dont do all that I mention but I am sure Paul would not play on those.

I gamble a lot, probably way too much, but of course on a lot smaller stakes than Paul and I can tell you that me playing on crypto or licensed casinos is practically the same and there is 0 difference for me. I actually lost much more on licensed ones because I dont get any promotions like rakeback\bonuses etc. Of course I am not from UK and I dont have the restrictions you guys have so it is a little difference since I can bonus buy and do all the deposits I want on MGA casinos just the same.

You can say that they could be dangerous to the problem gamblers and I agree, but those people always are trying to abuse and avoid gamstop etc. on any casino. We can see that every month when people come to the forum telling these stories and cry about casinos taking their money.

All that said imo, if Paul would be able to get bigger deposit limits on Mr vegas or any other casino like bandit has with parachute bonuses, that would probably the best and easiest option for him currently for the way he usually plays without having to relocate and play on cryptos. For his style of playing these bonuses are actually the best possible thing. If he builds the balance with his deposit he can cash out and if not there is an bonus hunt option with the bonus later. But I dont know if casino will be good with that and maybe stop offer bonus if it will be uses that way constantly.

In the end of the day it is his life and his decision and I wont make a change for me watching him or being in this community. From the ways he gambles I know he wont play with fake money and become an affiliate business like 99.9% of other streamers so there is 0 difference where he plays.

 

 

I get what you're saying mate. Although I did put a caveat at the end of my post 

Only joking, you're a top guy, thanks for sharing your experiences. 

[Blacko 12,388]

57 minutes ago, Solario333 said:

In the current gambling arena the areas of play have been highly restricted by the UKGC as banks are now restricting accounts that have heavy gambling commitments . You can't withdraw or deposit large amounts without interference from the new legislation re money laundering . This coercive control restricts our freedom to play and has led to many online casinos using crypto to evade the problem , with online wallets to hide the cash from prying uk eyes .   I understand the dilemma very well as I have closed all my online accounts for the same reason . its very difficult to stream effectively if your hands are tied in this way . So in my view Rolla has 2 options --- Wait until the whole financial apparatus collapses and cash is king again , or go crypto ..... neither is a good choice , but needs must .    Whatever Paul does someone will be unhappy , no doubt , but doing what is best for him and his family in the future is paramount and that will be a personal choice he and his family will make according to circumstance and liquidity .  I will support his decision unequivocally since his character is sound .   

 

I for one certainly won’t be condoning anything to do with these crypto sites. They are simply dangerous not to just addicts like myself but to anyone who needs support if they feel gambling is starting to become an issue. Self exclusion is a fucking joke as you only need a different email to hey presto a new account, no checks.

Bonus buys, extremely dangerous. You see many big wins posted on this site but they will never tell you how much money they burned through before getting it. This is the reason I stopped posting slot wins, it’s all deception.

Gamstop is now a relic. Once a great service, now useless.

And on top of all this the players hand is always in his pocket paying crypto fees to deposit, withdraw and send to a bank account.

I would be very surprised if Paul went down this line, let’s remember Rolla puts his own limits in place to control his gambling.. that wouldn’t work out well with these crypto sites.

I like Paul a lot and have much love and respect for the guy. I ain’t going to fall out with him regardless of his decision but I think it’s something that a lot of thought has to be put into.

Edited May 22 by Blacko

[philinvicta 11,269]

Before going crypto anyone would want to realise that many of the controls that help problem gamblers would not be in place.  As @Blacko says it would be easy to open an account  and  find oneself on tilt  and wake up many many thousands poorer.  

For all its faults  at least the UK regs  err on the side of a person  not being able to lose fortunes   on one night. Yes it can be frustrating if you want to punt big   but most people  would find the sums they can lose even at the "lower" 2  pound a spin   or roulette spins that do not allow thousands per spin to be bet  could lead to losses that are  harmful to both their financial and mental health.   

 

Lets be honest much of the casinos profits are from high staking  customers and this is why they are pushing those punters  to complain loudly.   The fact that  many streamers are prepared to promote dodgy  casinos to generate affiliate income also shows that this income is being hit and they are desperate to keep the so called easy money rolling in.

I am sure  it would be a shock to many people just how much money these  casinos pay out to affiliates with obviously much of it hidden in accounts  under "marketing costs" and mixed in with other advertising  expenses.

It  was something that many poker affiliates did when there were good deals around  as the sites were pushing to expand and compete  and some made a good income  from that.  Other industries do it as well so it is not unique to the gambling industry.

The fact  is so many of the streamers that we used to watch in  days gone by  started off playing stakes of a  pound or less with the odd higher stake  when the balance grew   in the same way as most of us  play  ourselves.   Now it is not uncommon to see many of these streamers start with balances in the thousands and playing higher stakes and yet  in the intervening years  most of these guys have gone from doing a "normal" job to being  full time streamers living off affiliate and promotion money  and yet they have so much more money to gamble with.   

It is something that many of us would probably have  liked to have done ourselves and one of the reasons  we all respect @Rocknrolla  is that  he has been happy with his cut without resorting to  pushing crypto or taking large sums to promote certain websites.  This must have been  hard to  resist at times when we see some of the sums that have been pushed at these  gamers.

I can also see a time in the future where there could be some more big fines handed out for the way that these companies have pushed what they deem acceptable.

Here in Ireland today Meta was handed a 1.2 Billion euro fine for breaches of GDPR    and that was just for Facebook transferring data they also got fined  a large sum for the Cambridge Analytica data breach..  Many more of these big internet  companies have been hit with big fines indeed the Meta fine exceeded the previous  largest which was Amazon of 746 million.   In the past Full Tilt were hit by the US authorities and also Pokerstars founders were chased.

Currently many of the gambling companies  are only dealing with the UK gambling Commission and even though they are being hit with fines  of a much smaller scale  if they come into the sites of the US or EU   they could be in for a real shock. Luckily for them the EU has low hanging fruit and big tech in their sites at the present(Also for all people complain about the UK cracking down  many forget that  much of what we take for granted is illegal in many of the EU countries)

Edited May 22 by philinvicta

[ISlot 1,069]

I play on and off for a year now in crypto, like @crazyrightmeow sad big crypto casinos change a lot and got banned in many of them, they are dangerous for some ppl they don't get how crypto casino works, but none of them stop my withdraw even I got banned, some they are very good casinos they even ask you for ID to make sure you are over 18, some are very casino special one with VPN friendly all they want your money they don't care how old you are. I don't think Rolla will promote any of the crypto casinos, but he has no other option but to stream in crypto or move all his family to another country, I am sure he had a lot of offers from Crypto casinos and for sure he will pick the best one if he starts crypto streaming, UK streaming is dead for gamblers like @Rocknrolla I don't mind watching him play in crypto he knows the limits his good gambler

[Bangers 13,691]

2 hours ago, philinvicta said:

 The fact that  many streamers are prepared to promote dodgy  casinos to generate affiliate income also shows that this income is being hit and they are desperate to keep the so called easy money rolling in

Nail On Head 

[Aarongeorge1989 726]

The big crypto sites now aren’t that different from the ones you can play at in the uk generally, And unfortunately the ukgc only have themselves to blame for people going down that route. 

I don’t think Paul was talking about doing crypto affiliation I think he meant if he wanted to get deposit bonuses he had to show the name of the casino he was playing on which you could tell he was hesitant on doing, I very much doubt he will be pushing for sign ups. 

He even mentioned he had spoken to his wife about spending 2 weeks a month in Malta so that shows how much consideration he has put into this and isn’t just jumping on the crypto train like other streamers.  

 

 

 

 

Edited May 22 by Aarongeorge1989

[VillaLad 8,383]

I watched him for a while the other night and to me he seemed really down and not his usual self. He was getting involved with chat but just seemed proper pissed off.

[david1111 18,029]

27 minutes ago, VillaLad said:

I watched him for a while the other night and to me he seemed really down and not his usual self. He was getting involved with chat but just seemed proper pissed off.

Was there a few watching as I got a notification in the morning saying he was streaming at 1am!

 

[VillaLad 8,383]

5 minutes ago, david1111 said:

Was there a few watching as I got a notification in the morning saying he was streaming at 1am!

 

I think it was on 700 odd when I was watching

[david1111 18,029]

1 minute ago, VillaLad said:

I think it was on 700 odd when I was watching

That's a lot of insomniacs 

[Chair Slots 3,044]

There were people discussing the best crypto sites to play on in chat last night there really needed to be a mod in chat to stamp it out. No compulsive gambler wants ideas like those put into their head.

Edited May 23 by Chair Slots

[Bangers 13,691]

14 minutes ago, Chair Slots said:

There were people discussing the best crypto sites to play on in chat last night there really needed to be a mod in chat to stamp it out. No compulsive gambler wants ideas like those put into their head.

Feck knows how people can sit through they streams these days 

[crazyrightmeow 4,519]

3 hours ago, VillaLad said:

I watched him for a while the other night and to me he seemed really down and not his usual self. He was getting involved with chat but just seemed proper pissed off.

He had 15k cashout and 33k in balance on the casino he played previous and they scammed him for that money. Of course he was really down mate, imagine how would you feel. I would be crushed.

3 hours ago, david1111 said:

That's a lot of insomniacs 

I am for sure one of them. Cant get a proper sleep in these days, sleeping 4-5 hours max in the late morning usually.

[VillaLad 8,383]

21 minutes ago, crazyrightmeow said:

He had 15k cashout and 33k in balance on the casino he played previous and they scammed him for that money. Of course he was really down mate, imagine how would you feel. I would be crushed.

I didn’t know about that 

[Gkell727 6,357]

Imagine Rolla winning 4 million dollars live streaming with Drake. That’s why Rolla will never be as good as Rothstein 

[Fudge 1,676]

I thought Gkell727 was trolling, but it's real I thought all his viewers were bots, but looks like not.

I can see why it's so tempting to stream crypto, if they can afford Drake then the popular streamers must be getting paid good too. Anyone have any clue how much rolla could make going down this road?

 

Edited May 24 by Fudge