End of gambling streams on twitch?

[Finbastard 548]

Finally

[Chair Slots 3,020]

What a fucking day 🥳🥳 The bubble has finally burst for those predatory fuckers!!!

[MrUKHackz 14,867]

See ya later Rosh!!!

[Rocknrolla 5,337]

Will be interesting to see what happens, I'm sure they will just find a way round it. When links and promo codes were banned they also just created discords and spammed the links via that or just showed the logo. There's still loads of dodgy sites even with some kind of license that will welcome those streamers  Some will probably just move to another platform.

I think its still really positive as for me one of the main issues was these casinos targeted the biggest Twitch streamers where their audience was largely under 18. XQC would often stream minecraft then go straight to slots. Suddenly these kids that idealised these streamers and dreamed of emulating their life as gamers would be subjected a very different world and could quite easily go down a very dark path because of it

[crazyrightmeow 4,463]

9 hours ago, Rocknrolla said:

Will be interesting to see what happens, I'm sure they will just find a way round it. When links and promo codes were banned they also just created discords and spammed the links via that or just showed the logo. There's still loads of dodgy sites even with some kind of license that will welcome those streamers  Some will probably just move to another platform.

I think its still really positive as for me one of the main issues was these casinos targeted the biggest Twitch streamers where their audience was largely under 18. XQC would often stream minecraft then go straight to slots. Suddenly these kids that idealised these streamers and dreamed of emulating their life as gamers would be subjected a very different world and could quite easily go down a very dark path because of it

They will move to youtube. Major twitch streamers(not gambling related) already moved there since they got good deals and more of these big guys who do promote stake etc. will now probably try to get those deals as well.

Like I predicted some time ago I think that soon there will be a lot of legal troubles for crypto casinos as well. Banning them from platforms is just the first step.

[Chair Slots 3,020]

3 hours ago, crazyrightmeow said:

They will move to youtube. Major twitch streamers(not gambling related) already moved there since they got good deals and more of these big guys who do promote stake etc. will now probably try to get those deals as well.

Like I predicted some time ago I think that soon there will be a lot of legal troubles for crypto casinos as well. Banning them from platforms is just the first step.

I honestly don’t think his type of viewer who watches on Twitch will go over to YouTube. He will without a doubt move there, but I can’t see it being anywhere near as lucrative.

Also, maybe these crypto sites will improve their safer gambling tools over the next month and therefore pass Twitch’s new guidelines.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Chair Slots

[MrUKHackz 14,867]

Another questions is will Rosh's bots work on Youtube?!? 

[crazyrightmeow 4,463]

1 hour ago, Chair Slots said:

I honestly don’t think his type of viewer who watches on Twitch will go over to YouTube. He will without a doubt move there, but I can’t see it being anywhere near as lucrative.

Also, maybe these crypto sites will improve their safer gambling tools over the next month and therefore pass Twitch’s new guidelines.

Yes but most of those kids dont even play slots and are kids who watch their streamers what every they do. From what I read from a smaller streamer compared to these whales they make more money if they stream slots on youtube including poker streamers.

I dont see crypto sites improve gambling tools or at least not with verification which is the biggest problem. The whole point of people playing on their sites is playing from restricted countries with vpns and no verification needed. They will still make millions every day even if they are not on twitch because they already got so big exposure and of course other platforms.

We shall see what happens, no matter what, fuck them all.

[Douvan 3,174]

All because of Sliker. Feel for him because he had a problem and he hid it so well but I will miss some of the people I watch on there. Like some have said though, they'll go straight to youtube.

[Denman 53]

This statement is too much up in the air. Aside from addressing 4 specific sites, of which there are 101 other clones of such sites, it doesn't really specify anything. The suggestion of still allowing it to happen on sites licensed in jurisdictions that provide "sufficient consumer protection" indicates to me that it won't actually solve anything. We have literally seen the Stake.com contracts leaked already, these "mega" social influencers like xqc, Trainwrecks, AdinRoss, even Roshtein are worth 10s of millions to Gambling Operators. While it remains to be seen which jurisdictions are deemed "worthy", it still leaves it wide open for those that do get the "Twitch Pass" to work with those influencers still (alas their bet sizes may suddenly be shrinking).

 

From looking into it a little further, it seems this maybe the result of several Twitch Employees receiving large payments from Trainwrecks (which is absolutely insane and may have some large legal ramifications), another Twitch streamer being outed as borrowing large amounts to gamble with and not paying those amounts back (although that was seemingly not casino related, it was sports betting) and the uproar of several high profile non-gambling related Twitch streamers. I do not believe this to be the end of gambling streams on Twitch, I don't even think it constitutes as them using a band-aid solution. I think its a poorly worded, vague statement in response to an ongoing situation that is going to amount to nothing.  My hope would be however that it has been enforced on them by their parent company who have observed the current situation. If that is the case, then while the initial statement is absolutely asinine, once the legal departments start to unfurl and explore all the details and look at the sheer minefield that is the global gambling industry, then it could perhaps be shut down altogether on Twitch. Although even then, Amazon and doing the right thing don't seem to go together. 

[Douvan 3,174]

6 minutes ago, Denman said:

This statement is too much up in the air. Aside from addressing 4 specific sites, of which there are 101 other clones of such sites, it doesn't really specify anything. The suggestion of still allowing it to happen on sites licensed in jurisdictions that provide "sufficient consumer protection" indicates to me that it won't actually solve anything. We have literally seen the Stake.com contracts leaked already, these "mega" social influencers like xqc, Trainwrecks, AdinRoss, even Roshtein are worth 10s of millions to Gambling Operators. While it remains to be seen which jurisdictions are deemed "worthy", it still leaves it wide open for those that do get the "Twitch Pass" to work with those influencers still (alas their bet sizes may suddenly be shrinking).

 

From looking into it a little further, it seems this maybe the result of several Twitch Employees receiving large payments from Trainwrecks (which is absolutely insane and may have some large legal ramifications), another Twitch streamer being outed as borrowing large amounts to gamble with and not paying those amounts back (although that was seemingly not casino related, it was sports betting) and the uproar of several high profile non-gambling related Twitch streamers. I do not believe this to be the end of gambling streams on Twitch, I don't even think it constitutes as them using a band-aid solution. I think its a poorly worded, vague statement in response to an ongoing situation that is going to amount to nothing.  My hope would be however that it has been enforced on them by their parent company who have observed the current situation. If that is the case, then while the initial statement is absolutely asinine, once the legal departments start to unfurl and explore all the details and look at the sheer minefield that is the global gambling industry, then it could perhaps be shut down altogether on Twitch. Although even then, Amazon and doing the right thing don't seem to go together. 

This is also up in the air as well as it was supposedly confirmed that the two people "Rellim" and "Pepegafish" were supposedly not employees of Twitch at the time of receiving the funds. How true that is I do not know. 

 

“Yo, by the way, I got something really funny to tell you… I just found this out. I just confirmed it as well… Rellim doesn’t even work for Twitch anymore. Pepegafish unfortunately passed away.” is a quote from Trainwrecks himself.

[Denman 53]

Just now, Douvan said:

This is also up in the air as well as it was supposedly confirmed that the two people "Rellim" and "Pepegafish" were supposedly not employees of Twitch at the time of receiving the funds. How true that is I do not know. 

 

“Yo, by the way, I got something really funny to tell you… I just found this out. I just confirmed it as well… Rellim doesn’t even work for Twitch anymore. Pepegafish unfortunately passed away.” is a quote from Trainwrecks himself.

 

Rellim is Miller backwards.

 

The article I read said that they were both fired "weeks ago".  However on the video of the streamer offering/sending them money, he clicks on both of their Twitch profiles and they both had their job titles at Twitch listed in their bio's. I should think if they were not employed by Twitch at that stage, they would be getting told to remove misleading information from their respective profiles. I think its more likely this is something Twitch has been aware of since the time of the payments, maybe there were further payments to others that were not made public too. They fired the individuals involved and hoped it would blow over. But as soon as it was discovered, started trending on Twitter etc, attracting some mainstream media's attention, Daddy Amazon has likely got involved. 

 

[Douvan 3,174]

1 minute ago, Denman said:

 

Rellim is Miller backwards.

 

The article I read said that they were both fired "weeks ago".  However on the video of the streamer offering/sending them money, he clicks on both of their Twitch profiles and they both had their job titles at Twitch listed in their bio's. I should think if they were not employed by Twitch at that stage, they would be getting told to remove misleading information from their respective profiles. I think its more likely this is something Twitch has been aware of since the time of the payments, maybe there were further payments to others that were not made public too. They fired the individuals involved and hoped it would blow over. But as soon as it was discovered, started trending on Twitter etc, attracting some mainstream media's attention, Daddy Amazon has likely got involved. 

 

Ah right...wasn't aware of that.

 

I think a lot of it escalated massively when two streamers..Ludwig and someone else started kicking off saying they're gooing to get all the money back off Sliker in one way another. I think at that point Twitch/Amazon had to step in before someone got lynched.

[Denman 53]

1 minute ago, Douvan said:

Ah right...wasn't aware of that.

 

I think a lot of it escalated massively when two streamers..Ludwig and someone else started kicking off saying they're gooing to get all the money back off Sliker in one way another. I think at that point Twitch/Amazon had to step in before someone got lynched.

 

It may have played a part, but I would imagine that two Twitch Employees receiving $80k worth of payments between them live on a gambling streamers broadcast is much more damaging to Twitch's image than a degenerate sports betting streamer secretly taking loans from other streamers to fund his addiction. The latter raises questions of conflict of interest, corruption, bribery and the legal ramifications that can go alongside them, basically a very very bad look for Twitch and ultimately Amazon.