Crowsnest1 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I have noticed over the last 2-6 months there has been a increase of affiliate/casino based videos on you tube. Its making gambling so unrealistic, all am seeing is mega big win, huge win, jackpot win. Must see win. These people are not promoting the real outcome of gambling they are leading people in!!! Am not a massive gambler but poeple who may be inclined to gamble to much are getting this videos plastered all over the place must not help Am am not blowing smoke up his ass but Paul only seems to be the one showing loss videos. Which in my eyes is the only real way to show the real outcome, loss and win. ( sometimes Kim will do a loss one) Some affiliate only want to custom rather than the best for follows. Dont want to to start a massive argument or debate. But be nice to see if other people think this. Cheers. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Yes, i agree. It does glorify gambling and certainly hides the dark side. A lot of vulnerable, easy led people can easily get lured in by these videos. I only really watch Paul, the bandit and jimbo. They do note hide losses at all and show clearly the downside of gambling. The industry as a whole is way to commercial now and something really needs to be done as I believe it has already spiralled out of control 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Personally Id like to see it back like it was a few years ago, only us real gamblers made videos and sometimes we won, sometimes we lost and if we (me for example) made a video of wins throughout the last fortnight it was just that, a video, not an advert for revenue trying to sucker people in. Paul feels the same, we'd soon see who the real gamblers are without affiliation 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miller26 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Difficult one for me personally it does not effect me seeing big wins etc but I can see how it would effect someone maybe just starting to gamble. Min the affiliate side I see no problem in making a business out of it . Take the 200% none sticky bonus at 21 what paul offers . Where would you get that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowsnest1 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Share Posted April 16, 2018 Yes I know that’s the offer at 21casino, but my point was the lack of truth in terms of the videos produced and shared. A affiliate with sign up links on his videos who only posts losing videos. Would have a hell of smaller following and smaller signs ups, than some of the ones out there promoting only winning as previously stated. Just sickens me the way some streamers make out they are only doing it for the follows, and really care about them. Do they s””t, and what makes it worse they acccept donations. The most frequent you tube channels who post wining only videos must be having a field day, with new follows seeing there winning all the time and bam think they can do it, which as stated is not a reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miller26 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Crowsnest1 said: Yes I know that’s the offer at 21casino, but my point was the lack of truth in terms of the videos produced and shared. A affiliate with sign up links on his videos who only posts losing videos. Would have a hell of smaller following and smaller signs ups, than some of the ones out there promoting only winning as previously stated. Just sickens me the way some streamers make out they are only doing it for the follows, and really care about them. Do they s””t, and what makes it worse they acccept donations. The most frequent you tube channels who post wining only videos must be having a field day, with new follows seeing there winning all the time and bam think they can do it, which as stated is not a reality I don’t think people are as daft as you think . To me it’s pretty obvious the ones who are just in it for the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowsnest1 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Share Posted April 16, 2018 Couldn’t agree more there are very obvious ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brownman24 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I agree this with to an extent but the proven legit gamblers who still chose to be affiliates because of the obvious benefits.... personally I do not have a problem with that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowsnest1 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Share Posted April 16, 2018 I don’t have a problem with that either mate. But it they are promoting unrealistic look on gambling to gain a higher number of sign ups on there links, then I do have a issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brownman24 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Totally agree, unethical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJFF Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I dont bet on-line, never have, just a few quid or so in the bookies most weeks... Others are different tho, i understand that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Miller26 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, TJFF said: I dont bet on-line, never have, just a few quid or so in the bookies most weeks... Others are different tho, i understand that... Best stay that way mate . Online can be ruthless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGD Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 17 hours ago, Crowsnest1 said: I have noticed over the last 2-6 months there has been a increase of affiliate/casino based videos on you tube. Its making gambling so unrealistic, all am seeing is mega big win, huge win, jackpot win. Must see win. These people are not promoting the real outcome of gambling they are leading people in!!! Am not a massive gambler but poeple who may be inclined to gamble to much are getting this videos plastered all over the place must not help Am am not blowing smoke up his ass but Paul only seems to be the one showing loss videos. Which in my eyes is the only real way to show the real outcome, loss and win. ( sometimes Kim will do a loss one) Some affiliate only want to custom rather than the best for follows. Dont want to to start a massive argument or debate. But be nice to see if other people think this. Cheers. I agree. You can also check out Hypafuse, he is also very honest about the wins and losses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowsnest1 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Share Posted April 16, 2018 Thanks will have a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewweEDGEHAD Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 18 hours ago, Crowsnest1 said: I have noticed over the last 2-6 months there has been a increase of affiliate/casino based videos on you tube. Its making gambling so unrealistic, all am seeing is mega big win, huge win, jackpot win. Must see win. These people are not promoting the real outcome of gambling they are leading people in!!! Am not a massive gambler but poeple who may be inclined to gamble to much are getting this videos plastered all over the place must not help Am am not blowing smoke up his ass but Paul only seems to be the one showing loss videos. Which in my eyes is the only real way to show the real outcome, loss and win. ( sometimes Kim will do a loss one) Some affiliate only want to custom rather than the best for follows. Dont want to to start a massive argument or debate. But be nice to see if other people think this. Cheers. That's why I appreciate Paul. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 20 hours ago, MrUKHackz said: Personally Id like to see it back like it was a few years ago, only us real gamblers made videos and sometimes we won, sometimes we lost and if we (me for example) made a video of wins throughout the last fortnight it was just that, a video, not an advert for revenue trying to sucker people in. Paul feels the same, we'd soon see who the real gamblers are without affiliation No one is forcing anyone to be an affiliate as it is right now. Paul is an affiliate out of choice. If he felt so strongly about it he could cancel his affiliate programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 @Denman The point was about these pop up channels that have got into the scene purely to fleece folks, Paul was streaming before affiliation and would still be going after it, hes a real gambler, thats whats important imo. Theres nothing wrong with affiliation if its done correctly, as an affiliate you are the players manager and thats something Paul takes seriously unlike 99% of the others 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Slasher McGurk Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 Hypalynxs stream last night showed the reality of gambling, that was brutal, just hours of different slots and every one was a "this has to bonus eventually" scenario and when it does bonus it pays buttons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: @Denman The point was about these pop up channels that have got into the scene purely to fleece folks, Paul was streaming before affiliation and would still be going after it, hes a real gambler, thats whats important imo. Theres nothing wrong with affiliation if its done correctly, as an affiliate you are the players manager and thats something Paul takes seriously unlike 99% of the others How does one do affiliation correctly? There is a distinct lack of rules and regulation in this area. There is no correct way. Ultimately if you are making money from it you have contributed to a process in which someone else has lost money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocknrolla Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Denman said: How does one do affiliation correctly? There is a distinct lack of rules and regulation in this area. There is no correct way. Ultimately if you are making money from it you have contributed to a process in which someone else has lost money. I would say the main point of doing it correctly is leaving it to the viewers decision. In my description I've made it very clear what links they are and what it means, some have literally nothing or are very short, if someone clicks on my link then they have done knowing the facts. There is also the free option of Gamban. The way that I conduct my channel with or without links would the number of people joining one of the casinos I play at be any different? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said: I would say the main point of doing it correctly is leaving it to the viewers decision. In my description I've made it very clear what links they are and what it means, some have literally nothing or are very short, if someone clicks on my link then they have done knowing the facts. There is also the free option of Gamban. The way that I conduct my channel with or without links would the number of people joining one of the casinos I play at be any different? You're without doubt one of the most responsible when it comes to other peoples gambling, but you're still promoting a gambling product to some extent for your own benefit (yes far less than others and in no way obnoxiously as many are guilty of). I also suspect that you're most likely gambling far more off stream than you do on stream which gives credence to you being a "true gambler". I don't have issue with what you do, but you're still without doubt promoting (I use the term loosely with you, as you are relatively discreet) a gambling product for your own benefit, just as many others do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 @Denman Everything is a promotion of some sort isn't it, if Paul wasn't an affiliate it wouldn't stop people watching him and some of those people will find the video helpful in curbing there own gambling and some will find it triggers them to gamble, being an affiliate or not doesn't enhance the amount its promotes gambling. The streams with it plastered over half the screen are a different matter entirely. For instance you owning racehorses, if people like yourself didn't own these horses and race them for your pleasure/hobby/sport then we punters wouldn't be able to bet on them and do our bollocks in on Annie Power at the final fence!! See how you can link anything to anything if you look for a way to do so!? Not having a pop either as I was saying to Paul yesterday Id love to be a racehorse owner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Slasher McGurk Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: @Denman Everything is a promotion of some sort isn't it, if Paul wasn't an affiliate it wouldn't stop people watching him and some of those people will find the video helpful in curbing there own gambling and some will find it triggers them to gamble, being an affiliate or not doesn't enhance the amount its promotes gambling. The streams with it plastered over half the screen are a different matter entirely. For instance you owning racehorses, if people like yourself didn't own these horses and race them for your pleasure/hobby/sport then we punters wouldn't be able to bet on them and do our bollocks in on Annie Power at the final fence!! See how you can link anything to anything if you look for a way to do so!? Not having a pop either as I was saying to Paul yesterday Id love to be a racehorse owner This is the argument I use against people that want to ban horse racing - well there will be a shit ton of horses lined up at the glue factory if that ever happens then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 27 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: @Denman Everything is a promotion of some sort isn't it, if Paul wasn't an affiliate it wouldn't stop people watching him and some of those people will find the video helpful in curbing there own gambling and some will find it triggers them to gamble, being an affiliate or not doesn't enhance the amount its promotes gambling. The streams with it plastered over half the screen are a different matter entirely. For instance you owning racehorses, if people like yourself didn't own these horses and race them for your pleasure/hobby/sport then we punters wouldn't be able to bet on them and do our bollocks in on Annie Power at the final fence!! See how you can link anything to anything if you look for a way to do so!? Not having a pop either as I was saying to Paul yesterday Id love to be a racehorse owner Not really the same is it. Theres no benefit to me if someone bets on my horse. The bloody BHA won't even let me lay them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Denman said: Not really the same is it. Theres no benefit to me if someone bets on my horse. The bloody BHA won't even let me lay them. Is it important if somebody is benefiting from it financially? The only thing I think is important is if it's contributing towards giving somebody a bad habit, and both streams and horse racing are guilty of that to some degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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