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4 hours ago, MrUKHackz said:

There's definitely something planned for income here, it costs 5 figures to run apparently per year and the site has no adverts or affy links YET so that the naysayers cant say its competition.

So what is the angle because there is one for sure, you wouldn't put this much effort in just to be a good guy that verifies streamers.

Also is this Phil from Wales? Bandits mate?

Yes is him 

not sure what happened to him he used to comment every day on Bandit Forum

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6 hours ago, crazyrightmeow said:

Phil: I think if we get enough streamers and don’t hide anything we have a good chance. When we verify we are basically doing a fancy Source Of Wealth check, we verify the casino account, back office, bank or wallet account, source of income, and we go back as far as we need to be satisfied. I think the level of discussion we have per streamer and the fact we use fully KYC/AML trained staff, alongside having an automatic system called Jumio, puts any doubt aside as to the legitimacy of what we are trying to accomplish. If we can verify some of the big names over the next 2 months, and have our badges and following increase, then naturally questions will be asked of the streamers who will say no. Waiting for some of those excuses as to why they will say no is going to be the highlight of my year!

as affiliation, you cant share with others your affiliation income, so how the hell everyday streamers will prove their income? they need to risk all their income to show some noob on a website what you earning, or share your bank statement with a guy you never meat him..and he lives on the most corrupt country in EU...what this guy his doing casinos can do much easy  coz they know their streamers income and spending  

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2 hours ago, MrUKHackz said:

Using his name as an advert clearly, "expected" being the key word

this guy works for white hat gaming. if he needs Rolla's info he can ask his boss about it 😂

The way this guy talks like he's running a billion-dollar company. I bet his doing all this from his bedroom 😂

 

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33 minutes ago, ISlot said:

The way this guy talks like he's running a billion-dollar company. I bet his doing all this from his bedroom 😂

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Lifetime verified in itself seems like it hasn't been thought through very well 😂

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2 hours ago, chloe said:

I think it’s intended to be taken that if someone is willing to step forward knowing that the website can pick any 3+ streams from the past then there’s a good chance they’re not hiding anything because they couldn’t take the risk of a fake money stream being chosen at random and being outed.

I think your forgetting the key thing; human bias 

 

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Good sign 

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2 minutes ago, 4houghts said:

Good sign 

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Yeah saw that before. Must be updating the site with all the new streamers they are adding

Or they are selling your ip details to roshtein. Got to make money somehow

 

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Please bend thy knee while I bestow upon to you the hallowed endorsement of the holy grail of validation. Arise now a Verified Streamer. 

 

What a crock of shit, what credence does this site have? Might as well have Purple Aki squeeze your biceps and tell everyone you're a good lad. 

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1 minute ago, Denman said:

Please bend thy knee while I bestow upon to you the hallowed endorsement of the holy grail of validation. Arise now a Verified Streamer. 

 

What a crock of shit, what credence does this site have? Might as well have Purple Aki squeeze your biceps and tell everyone you're a good lad. 

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5 hours ago, chloe said:

I don’t think it matters where the money comes from either. Some of the people on the list might use their own regular income if they aren’t affiliates or play low stakes, some will promote casinos not everyone agrees with, and some will get paid per brand to stream exclusively at their casinos. I think the point is just that regardless of where the money originated from, the money belongs to the streamer - it doesn’t have to be deposited, and it can be withdrawn without restrictions (excluding wagering requirements). The line has to be drawn somewhere, and that’s where they’ve chosen to draw it.

This is an absolutely horrendous statement and really shows the underlying intent to justify some of the BS that goes on.

A lot of people care where the money comes from... here's a few examples and reasons.

Being able to play irresponsibly high stakes with minimal personal risk due to low deposit and huge bonuses. They can lose £200 of there own money with a 10x bonus and spin at £10 and their loss is minimal. Joe bloggs emulates it and loses 2k of his own money. With such crazy wagering we see those none reactions to big wins.

Promoting casinos people don't agree with! Is this a wind up. People don't agree because the casinos are shite with awful terms and withdrawl. If a streamer is so desperate for sign ups they'll promote anyone then they don't deserve to be verified.

Being paid per brand. Ah so here's £500 for a video on our casino. That old chestnut where they don't get affiliate income from sign ups buy just play with that money. There is really zero risk with a loss then and they keep all their affiliate income from other casinos. Its how they can pump out video after video after video when no one else could afford to.

Genuinely disturbed by this attitude from someone so fiercely defensive and involved with a streamer. People do care and rightly they should. Streamers shouldn't be allowed to say its all real money when the deals they have in place totally separate their risk from Joe public. 

I'd love to see trading standards involved in a verification so streamers had to declare their risk and liability on streams and the deals they have in place. Watch their viewers and supporters disappear when so many have to admit to having no real risk if they lose on stream or not being able to cashout what they win.

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1 hour ago, Denman said:

Please bend thy knee while I bestow upon to you the hallowed endorsement of the holy grail of validation. Arise now a Verified Streamer. 

 

What a crock of shit, what credence does this site have? Might as well have Purple Aki squeeze your biceps and tell everyone you're a good lad. 

Nah you'd have to let him climb on your back and do a full squat to be verified.

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6 hours ago, MrUKHackz said:

Using his name as an advert clearly, "expected" being the key word

If ask him to take that shit down mate. Too many people will see Rolla and give the whole thing validity to a lot of people.

Its already showing itself to be piss poor with that sort of behaviour.

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15 minutes ago, bigbucks1983 said:

This is an absolutely horrendous statement and really shows the underlying intent to justify some of the BS that goes on.

A lot of people care where the money comes from... here's a few examples and reasons.

Being able to play irresponsibly high stakes with minimal personal risk due to low deposit and huge bonuses. They can lose £200 of there own money with a 10x bonus and spin at £10 and their loss is minimal. Joe bloggs emulates it and loses 2k of his own money. With such crazy wagering we see those none reactions to big wins.

Promoting casinos people don't agree with! Is this a wind up. People don't agree because the casinos are shite with awful terms and withdrawl. If a streamer is so desperate for sign ups they'll promote anyone then they don't deserve to be verified.

Being paid per brand. Ah so here's £500 for a video on our casino. That old chestnut where they don't get affiliate income from sign ups buy just play with that money. There is really zero risk with a loss then and they keep all their affiliate income from other casinos. Its how they can pump out video after video after video when no one else could afford to.

Genuinely disturbed by this attitude from someone so fiercely defensive and involved with a streamer. People do care and rightly they should. Streamers shouldn't be allowed to say its all real money when the deals they have in place totally separate their risk from Joe public. 

I'd love to see trading standards involved in a verification so streamers had to declare their risk and liability on streams and the deals they have in place. Watch their viewers and supporters disappear when so many have to admit to having no real risk if they lose on stream or not being able to cashout what they win.

Firstly, when I said “it doesn’t matter where the money comes from” I didn’t mean morally, or even literally. Obviously to a lot of people it does matter. I think you’ve intentionally taken that sentence out of context because I did then go on to say the money could come from different avenues for every person on the site, but the bottom line is the site’s job is to verify it is their money. If it is, then they play real money. 

It wouldn’t be possible to police every individual person’s approach towards streaming or affiliation. Judging from your comments I can assume that you aren’t in favour of casino promotion, or receiving a deposit bonus in exchange for this. Others might be fine with the promotion, but not the bonus. And again, others might be fine with the promotion and the bonus, provided there isn’t a withdrawal limit and the wagering terms are the same as a regular player. People have entirely different views to what they perceive to be “morally” correct, and there won’t ever be a one size fits all approach to managing streamers.

But to address the examples you provided, by a 10x bonus do you mean they get 10 times in bonus money what they provide in raw cash? I can honestly say I haven’t seen this, but I also don’t watch very many streamers. Most I do watch would be working with a 100% bonus, or 50%, but I can still understand that many people might not like streamers taking a bonus.

Promoting casinos players don’t agree with will unfortunately always happen. I have had very positive experiences with certain brands, and somewhat more negative experiences with other brands, but this doesn’t always mean they are terrible brands. Every casino will have negative reviews online - it’s a hazard of running a business where people may lose money or have to wait on a withdrawal. I think most streamers probably consider the license to speak for itself, and I’m not sure of anyone in the UK promoting casinos not registered by the UKGC.

Being paid per brand is something that on a person level I don’t really distinguish much compared to affiliate income, provided it’s not a fee just designed to re-pay losses, as at that point what you said is true - there’s no risk and no jeopardy. To clarify since you have mentioned that I am involved with a streamer, Will hasn’t had a deal where he plays on a certain brand because he probably doesn’t have enough viewers, so this is my person opinion. 

(For each of these examples I’m considering UK, or UK originating players since that’s who most people on the thread were talking about, but I probably should have been more clear in my original post about that).

But yeah, like I said - when I mentioned that it doesn’t matter, it was in reference to the idea of real vs fake money. This site will presumably be working under the assumption that if the streamer has earned the money, is under no obligation to deposit the money, could choose to spend it elsewhere, and has no withdrawal limit, then it is their own money and therefore it is real. Unfortunately the moral side of affiliation or deposit bonuses won’t come into play when you consider if the money is real or fake, and I’m not sure trading standards would care very much either about a streamers risk. 

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Sorry, that should say “my personal opinion.”

Don’t want to edit the reply for risk of you accusing me of being shady 😅

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7 minutes ago, chloe said:

Firstly, when I said “it doesn’t matter where the money comes from” I didn’t mean morally, or even literally. Obviously to a lot of people it does matter. I think you’ve intentionally taken that sentence out of context because I did then go on to say the money could come from different avenues for every person on the site, but the bottom line is the site’s job is to verify it is their money. If it is, then they play real money. 

 

This is one of the main issues though. If a streamer is given a cash amount from a casino, they then deposit the same amount back into the casino through their own bank account, they are still playing for free. So on paper it looks like they have deposited from their own bank account but in reality none of their own money is actually at risk. 

It is just a long version of doing what the likes of roshtein do. 

I honeslty don't think this new verification service will get anywhere - i will be surprised if it's still around in a couple of months (once chips bronze status has expired)

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3 minutes ago, chloe said:

Firstly, when I said “it doesn’t matter where the money comes from” I didn’t mean morally, or even literally. Obviously to a lot of people it does matter. I think you’ve intentionally taken that sentence out of context because I did then go on to say the money could come from different avenues for every person on the site, but the bottom line is the site’s job is to verify it is their money. If it is, then they play real money. 

But the casino's ent giving them money to withdraw to their bank account are they?

To infer it's the same as Timmy signing up and using his wages far from it 

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The site did say they’ll be checking bank statements and if they see payments from the casino that equal future deposits they’ll be asking why, so I think that’s been considered. 

I’m not entirely sure how I feel about it, but I can say if I was a streamer I wouldn’t want to be the only one not on it. I honestly don’t have a strong opinion, I’m just looking from their point of view that they just want to know the streamer owns the money, and can withdraw.

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Just now, chloe said:

I’m not entirely sure how I feel about it, but I can say if I was a streamer I wouldn’t want to be the only one not on it. 

I honestly wouldnt worry about this - i think that more streamers will be worried about being associated with the ones that play at "grey" sites. As soon as one fake streamer manages to get verified, everyone who is on the site will be associated with them

It's not worth the reputational risk. Or the £30. 

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1 minute ago, andywilliams1187 said:

I honestly wouldnt worry about this - i think that more streamers will be worried about being associated with the ones that play at "grey" sites. As soon as one fake streamer manages to get verified, everyone who is on the site will be associated with them

It's not worth the reputational risk. Or the £30. 

£30 gets you 5 McDonalds these days. But yeah, I tend to agree with you. I’ll be interested to know if it makes it’s way outside of the UK, over to Malta. 

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On 26/07/2021 at 19:02, bigbucks1983 said:

If the likes of chip, hideous etc are able to get verified then I would say the whole venture is pointless and counter productive.

The problem also is that if the streamer is in bed with the casino then it would be in the casinos interest to fudge some payments, it helps their brand and the streamer representing them.

The only way to do it properly is, as already stated, have it run by the ukgc. Not some random that no one knows anything about. Make the verification process more stringent and if a streamer has deals in place where they only risk a small portion of their own money then let them have an award along the lines of verified streamer with low personal liability. 

Think this actually sets the whole issue backwards. All we will here from the likes of chip is, im verified legitimate and too many people will buy into it.

Can I ask why you seem to hold me in such low regard? Why do you think I'm fake? 

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1 minute ago, chloe said:

£30 gets you 5 McDonalds these days. But yeah, I tend to agree with you. I’ll be interested to know if it makes it’s way outside of the UK, over to Malta. 

It's got to take off in the uk first lol. 

Having Chip as the first "verified" streamer is not the best marketing strategy as their are a lot of people who don't agree with the brands he promotes. 

They would have been better trying to do a deal with UKGC or some better mainstream streamers first. Oh and fixing their website and checking the spelling. Fair play to them if they crack it, but i don't see it happening

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6 minutes ago, chloe said:

Firstly, when I said “it doesn’t matter where the money comes from” I didn’t mean morally, or even literally. Obviously to a lot of people it does matter. I think you’ve intentionally taken that sentence out of context because I did then go on to say the money could come from different avenues for every person on the site, but the bottom line is the site’s job is to verify it is their money. If it is, then they play real money. 

It wouldn’t be possible to police every individual person’s approach towards streaming or affiliation. Judging from your comments I can assume that you aren’t in favour of casino promotion, or receiving a deposit bonus in exchange for this. Others might be fine with the promotion, but not the bonus. And again, others might be fine with the promotion and the bonus, provided there isn’t a withdrawal limit and the wagering terms are the same as a regular player. People have entirely different views to what they perceive to be “morally” correct, and there won’t ever be a one size fits all approach to managing streamers.

But to address the examples you provided, by a 10x bonus do you mean they get 10 times in bonus money what they provide in raw cash? I can honestly say I haven’t seen this, but I also don’t watch very many streamers. Most I do watch would be working with a 100% bonus, or 50%, but I can still understand that many people might not like streamers taking a bonus.

Promoting casinos players don’t agree with will unfortunately always happen. I have had very positive experiences with certain brands, and somewhat more negative experiences with other brands, but this doesn’t always mean they are terrible brands. Every casino will have negative reviews online - it’s a hazard of running a business where people may lose money or have to wait on a withdrawal. I think most streamers probably consider the license to speak for itself, and I’m not sure of anyone in the UK promoting casinos not registered by the UKGC.

Being paid per brand is something that on a person level I don’t really distinguish much compared to affiliate income, provided it’s not a fee just designed to re-pay losses, as at that point what you said is true - there’s no risk and no jeopardy. To clarify since you have mentioned that I am involved with a streamer, Will hasn’t had a deal where he plays on a certain brand because he probably doesn’t have enough viewers, so this is my person opinion. 

(For each of these examples I’m considering UK, or UK originating players since that’s who most people on the thread were talking about, but I probably should have been more clear in my original post about that).

But yeah, like I said - when I mentioned that it doesn’t matter, it was in reference to the idea of real vs fake money. This site will presumably be working under the assumption that if the streamer has earned the money, is under no obligation to deposit the money, could choose to spend it elsewhere, and has no withdrawal limit, then it is their own money and therefore it is real. Unfortunately the moral side of affiliation or deposit bonuses won’t come into play when you consider if the money is real or fake, and I’m not sure trading standards would care very much either about a streamers risk. 

Whether it is your opinion or your interpretation of their intentions or an ambiguity of the two. Its still an awful place to come from.

Just to quickly address you distinguishing between affiliation and brand pay. Let's say your affiliation income is 2k per month from one casino, you can do 4 £500 videos if you lost on every one each month. Let's say now say you get paid £500 per video, you can either keep that initial £500 say or churn out unlimited £500 videos because your getting £500 for each. You see there's a huge difference in risk and the amount of content you can put out.

I'm not gonna get into all the points, I think we sit on two very different sides of the fence. What I will say is this service is utterly flawed if all it does is prove fake money to real money, especially with so little investigation. The deals that streamers can have in place now gwt around that too easily. Verification should be around money and legitimacy, you shouldn't be verified if you only risk a tiny percentage of your own money even if its real especially compared to balance or bet size. That's such BS.

 

 

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Just now, bigbucks1983 said:

Whether it is your opinion or your interpretation of their intentions or an ambiguity of the two. Its still an awful place to come from.

Just to quickly address you distinguishing between affiliation and brand pay. Let's say your affiliation income is 2k per month from one casino, you can do 4 £500 videos if you lost on every one each month. Let's say now say you get paid £500 per video, you can either keep that initial £500 say or churn out unlimited £500 videos because your getting £500 for each. You see there's a huge difference in risk and the amount of content you can put out.

I'm not gonna get into all the points, I think we sit on two very different sides of the fence. What I will say is this service is utterly flawed if all it does is prove fake money to real money, especially with so little investigation. The deals that streamers can have in place now gwt around that too easily. Verification should be around money and legitimacy, you shouldn't be verified if you only risk a tiny percentage of your own money even if its real especially compared to balance or bet size. That's such BS.

 

 

Yeah I have to assume there would be a limit, I can’t imagine any casino willing to pay someone for unlimited videos. But I’m happy to agree to disagree 😊 I just think whoever ends up on the site it’s not saying they don’t have affiliate deals, the site just thinks they’re using that money to make videos rather than fake money which would mean when they win they don’t win and when they lose, they don’t lose

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