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I wonder how many people, would still lay their life on the line stating that chip is still a fraud. 

He thinks people are stupid if they don't believe he is genuine.  Also.......

Sorry Phil aka eejit, I have zero reason to trust you. The apology is a formality, the lack of trust is just a standard 'don't know you at all' thing. 

 

 

People are disposable, if you are inherently evil.

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On 31/07/2021 at 13:02, Chair Slots said:

Thing is mate anybody can say "I'm credible, look me up". And there may well be some stuff online that backs you up. The point is the accreditation needs to be a familiar logo or badge to any average Joe, without them having to do some research on it, which let's face it people won't.

It's like a restaurant having an AA Rosette - the AA are a recognised trusted brand therefore people will be automatically drawn to any restaurant that has that accreditation. If I open a restaurant and say I have a 'Dave Smith Shiny Star Award", it will mean nothing. Surely you understand that logic?

Just because you don't stream and have some sort of recognition in the background of the gambling industry doesn't give you the automatic authority to go around verifying people, and for people to trust that verification.

You might well be the best person to do this and I am not doubting that but trust me, you NEED some kind of recognised body behind you to endorse what you're doing, or it is completely meaningless.

I mean anybody can say it. But if you actually did youd probably change your opinion. The AA are a trusted brand as they were first. They grew and people took notice. Thats what we are doing. There is no accrediting body for this. We have to build it then take it to the MGA and UKGC and SGA. Thats the plan. We cant do that without having actually done any.

On 31/07/2021 at 13:10, philinvicta said:

@phil_igp  if the site is to be run at a loss  who is financing those losses 

We are. I am. Im COO and im absolving the costs into my departments. Once we charge soon the money from that will go towards wages etc.

On 31/07/2021 at 14:21, Levskie101 said:

Unless I’ve missed something @phil_igp anything above silver status has a charge?

What was the thinking behind a tiered system, if it’s to support the real streamers and out the fakes why is there basically package deals?
I’m sorry but you can’t claim to be running at a loss and still yet to reveal who’s financing this and then offer package deals. 
I had heard of you and I do like alot of your views on streaming but that doesn’t mean this will do any good 

We are financing it. There is no backers. Im financing it personally from our company by using existing staff (KYC, SEO, Website) and i hired one person who im putting without our structure. Without sounding like a dick, there is a lot of money in gaming, and a tiny part of this to "give something back" is the right thing to do.

On 31/07/2021 at 14:24, Levskie101 said:

Forgot to add

What is your stance on let’s say people who prove they are using real money even if it’s all affiliate, yet they promote shady casinos who can be even worse to the normal player and the practices they employ?

They can be even worse than the fake streamers 

Thats on case by case. If they are pushing a casino who has a history of utter bullshit then sure we will look at it. But affilaites, and it pains me to say this, all advertise mostly the same casinos to the same people. If your have 10 shops next to each other on the high street all selling kitchenware, your gonna do everything you can to get some uniqie brands in your store so people turn up and you make money. Same for streamers i figure, that one casino people havent played on is always going to be pushed.

18 hours ago, andywilliams1187 said:

Does that mean you will verify him 🙂

Would be funny if he actual went through the verification though

I really hope he does. If hes legit ill take back everything i ever said. But my god we would ask for 4 years of documents.

11 minutes ago, igc_rm said:

I wonder how many people, would still lay their life on the line stating that chip is still a fraud. 

He thinks people are stupid if they don't believe he is genuine.  Also.......

Sorry Phil aka eejit, I have zero reason to trust you. The apology is a formality, the lack of trust is just a standard 'don't know you at all' thing. 

 

 

People are disposable, if you are inherently evil.

Youve never met trip advisor but they are ok to you? Ive never heard of you... doesnt mean i dont have the time to listen to what your saying.

 

 

The point here, and ill be blunt, is what you all think doesnt really matter. This is a tiny subsection of the people who watch gambling streams. Most of the people replying are conspiracy loving, problem finding people. And thats fine, be my guest. But nothing we are doing or verifying is in any way even slightly incorrect. We have an accredited team of KYC agents verifying streamers documents. We literally cannot get any better staff to do this. They have full igaming and MGA training and guidance, its as good as it gets. They literally verify documents for a living. 

If anyone has any questions around this, around the process, wants to come here or come on skype and be part of the process - then the invitiation is open and ill buy you a steak if you come here or spare a couple of hours on skype with my team to guide you through it. 

However - the negativity is amazing. Its honestly a bit disappointing that the world of watching streamers has come to the point where people are wanting a system that will check the fakes and the bullshitters, and then we create one, and people dont think its legitimate. Noone can work out why its covered by me and my company? Easy. As the affiliation world is full of shite, and noone is doing anything about it. The doping agency who tests olympic athletes came from somewhere. They slowly got approved around the world, that is the same plan for this. We created a verification system as I believe, and many others do, that fake streamers are a stain on the community and the industry. I care more about that that i do about the feelings of the people watching, thats their choice if they want to close their eyes and believe 200k deposits are real. But this affects what i do for a living also. Regulators will clamp down on things soon, or do what they always do, which is not understand something and close it down (look at bonus buys as an example here). If they do that your all fucked. So consider this my attempt at solving a problem before it gets insane, as right now more and more streamers are starting affiliation and pushing casinos, and without something like this, the whole thing comes crashing down at some point once a regulator takes a stance against it. 

Also - noone has yet grasped the idea that this doesnt make us money. We dont benefit from verifying someone. No links. No sponsorships. Nothing. If we verify say Jimbo, he isnt giving us money for that yet. When he does it wont cover the cost. So whats the purpose of spending money ont he system and the agents if its not "for a good cause"? Say jimbo only streams at videoslots, like Bandit right now, we arent videoslots, we wont benefit from that. This is like someone checking tickets on a bus and you saying he isnt qualified to check tickets and you refuse to show him your ticket. The bus company pays for that person to make sure everyone on the bus has paid for their seat. 

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Trip advisor ? I wouldn't bet on it. (sarcasm averted)
Conspiracy loving ? Irrelevant and a mass general guess, earning you no points. Some might say, did you damage but let's let that slide.
Negativity ? Come on Phil, we are here to look at the reality, no be moaning. If a guy was offering kids sweets to go down a dark alley, you wouldn't be calling the nay sayers trying to protect the children "negative". 


Make money ? I consider that an insult to my intelligence, regardless that you don't know me. You have a raison d'etre. An ulterior motive. You state it's to keep the gambling world real and these crooks away from it so in fact, we are ON THE SAME SIDE, if you are really about that. But you work in the industry. You have a vested interest. Don't insult people's intelligence stating this is some sort of innocent party of unconnecteds who have absolutely nothing to gain. WE genuine unconnecteds have nothing to gain and we WANT TO SEE FAKERS OUTED.

If you wish to paint this as some sort of entertainment for anyone, I suggest you fully disregard those people as fakers. Because right now, you have taken a stance and you look like a faker. Regardless of me saying it. Your website proves nothing to the man on the street. 

PROOF : zero
Conjecture : plenty

Please don't insult people who couldn't care less about bs.
 

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I read about 2 pages and then thought fudge this.  Its a pointless exercise.... those that watch the fake streamers will continue to do so regardless of this.  Do people seriously think these idiots will be like oh my hat man isn't a verified streamer I must stop watching him!?

 

No is the answer 

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22 minutes ago, igc_rm said:

Trip advisor ? I wouldn't bet on it. (sarcasm averted)
Conspiracy loving ? Irrelevant and a mass general guess, earning you no points. Some might say, did you damage but let's let that slide.
Negativity ? Come on Phil, we are here to look at the reality, no be moaning. If a guy was offering kids sweets to go down a dark alley, you wouldn't be calling the nay sayers trying to protect the children "negative". 


Make money ? I consider that an insult to my intelligence, regardless that you don't know me. You have a raison d'etre. An ulterior motive. You state it's to keep the gambling world real and these crooks away from it so in fact, we are ON THE SAME SIDE, if you are really about that. But you work in the industry. You have a vested interest. Don't insult people's intelligence stating this is some sort of innocent party of unconnecteds who have absolutely nothing to gain. WE genuine unconnecteds have nothing to gain and we WANT TO SEE FAKERS OUTED.

If you wish to paint this as some sort of entertainment for anyone, I suggest you fully disregard those people as fakers. Because right now, you have taken a stance and you look like a faker. Regardless of me saying it. Your website proves nothing to the man on the street. 

PROOF : zero
Conjecture : plenty

Please don't insult people who couldn't care less about bs.
 

I mean this is so flawed i could spend a month replying.

The motive is... that i work in gaming so therefore.... what? My interest is in verifying streamers so that... gaming makes more money? You think this matters to anyone but the people who watch and the providers? No. Evolution can buy BTG for 425mil and not bat an eyelid. This has nothing to do with gaming. If i wanted to fix that id greate a global licence with taxation laws that made sense, not a streamer verifying service in my own time on my own dime as somehow this will make the gambling industry HUGELY RICHER! IT wont. It will not no difference to that. But it might stop 1 person from depositing more than they can afford. Or 5 people from signing up at a shady casino. Or 10 people from that extra high bet as they saw a streamer do it.

What im trying to do is help people. If you want to be against the ONLY people trying to do something about it then sure. you go ahead and ill be fine. If verifiedstreamer doesnt work then we tried and failed and thats fine. At least we tried to change something. If people are too deluded to thing that possibly someone who works in an industry doesnt like a certain side of it, and as i say a lot if you google me, listen to any podcast ive done, youll know exactly where i am at with this, then fine.

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2 minutes ago, phil_igp said:

I mean this is so flawed i could spend a month replying.

The motive is... that i work in gaming so therefore.... what? My interest is in verifying streamers so that... gaming makes more money? You think this matters to anyone but the people who watch and the providers? No. Evolution can buy BTG for 425mil and not bat an eyelid. This has nothing to do with gaming. If i wanted to fix that id greate a global licence with taxation laws that made sense, not a streamer verifying service in my own time on my own dime as somehow this will make the gambling industry HUGELY RICHER! IT wont. It will not no difference to that. But it might stop 1 person from depositing more than they can afford. Or 5 people from signing up at a shady casino. Or 10 people from that extra high bet as they saw a streamer do it.

What im trying to do is help people. If you want to be against the ONLY people trying to do something about it then sure. you go ahead and ill be fine. If verifiedstreamer doesnt work then we tried and failed and thats fine. At least we tried to change something. If people are too deluded to thing that possibly someone who works in an industry doesnt like a certain side of it, and as i say a lot if you google me, listen to any podcast ive done, youll know exactly where i am at with this, then fine.

is bandit get verified by you? or his refusing?

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1. so flawed yet Proof = zero

2. I know you don't care Phil. 

Which of the above two sentences are you going to focus on ?

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15 minutes ago, phil_igp said:

I mean anybody can say it. But if you actually did youd probably change your opinion. The AA are a trusted brand as they were first. They grew and people took notice. Thats what we are doing. There is no accrediting body for this. We have to build it then take it to the MGA and UKGC and SGA. Thats the plan. We cant do that without having actually done any.

We are. I am. Im COO and im absolving the costs into my departments. Once we charge soon the money from that will go towards wages etc.

We are financing it. There is no backers. Im financing it personally from our company by using existing staff (KYC, SEO, Website) and i hired one person who im putting without our structure. Without sounding like a dick, there is a lot of money in gaming, and a tiny part of this to "give something back" is the right thing to do.

Thats on case by case. If they are pushing a casino who has a history of utter bullshit then sure we will look at it. But affilaites, and it pains me to say this, all advertise mostly the same casinos to the same people. If your have 10 shops next to each other on the high street all selling kitchenware, your gonna do everything you can to get some uniqie brands in your store so people turn up and you make money. Same for streamers i figure, that one casino people havent played on is always going to be pushed.

I really hope he does. If hes legit ill take back everything i ever said. But my god we would ask for 4 years of documents.

Youve never met trip advisor but they are ok to you? Ive never heard of you... doesnt mean i dont have the time to listen to what your saying.

 

 

The point here, and ill be blunt, is what you all think doesnt really matter. This is a tiny subsection of the people who watch gambling streams. Most of the people replying are conspiracy loving, problem finding people. And thats fine, be my guest. But nothing we are doing or verifying is in any way even slightly incorrect. We have an accredited team of KYC agents verifying streamers documents. We literally cannot get any better staff to do this. They have full igaming and MGA training and guidance, its as good as it gets. They literally verify documents for a living. 

If anyone has any questions around this, around the process, wants to come here or come on skype and be part of the process - then the invitiation is open and ill buy you a steak if you come here or spare a couple of hours on skype with my team to guide you through it. 

However - the negativity is amazing. Its honestly a bit disappointing that the world of watching streamers has come to the point where people are wanting a system that will check the fakes and the bullshitters, and then we create one, and people dont think its legitimate. Noone can work out why its covered by me and my company? Easy. As the affiliation world is full of shite, and noone is doing anything about it. The doping agency who tests olympic athletes came from somewhere. They slowly got approved around the world, that is the same plan for this. We created a verification system as I believe, and many others do, that fake streamers are a stain on the community and the industry. I care more about that that i do about the feelings of the people watching, thats their choice if they want to close their eyes and believe 200k deposits are real. But this affects what i do for a living also. Regulators will clamp down on things soon, or do what they always do, which is not understand something and close it down (look at bonus buys as an example here). If they do that your all fucked. So consider this my attempt at solving a problem before it gets insane, as right now more and more streamers are starting affiliation and pushing casinos, and without something like this, the whole thing comes crashing down at some point once a regulator takes a stance against it. 

Also - noone has yet grasped the idea that this doesnt make us money. We dont benefit from verifying someone. No links. No sponsorships. Nothing. If we verify say Jimbo, he isnt giving us money for that yet. When he does it wont cover the cost. So whats the purpose of spending money ont he system and the agents if its not "for a good cause"? Say jimbo only streams at videoslots, like Bandit right now, we arent videoslots, we wont benefit from that. This is like someone checking tickets on a bus and you saying he isnt qualified to check tickets and you refuse to show him your ticket. The bus company pays for that person to make sure everyone on the bus has paid for their seat. 

You say we're all fucked if the regulators clamp down. Maybe this may just persuade people not to bother playing in the first place.I'd guess you would say this would drive people to unlicensed rogue casinos but if people were to do that they would only get done once. That's better than losing your wages every week on payday.I've had many debates with you regarding responsible online slotting and i still believe it's near on impossible to play slots responsibly but that's another matter. Maybe it's because it's your livelihood but personally i can't see how someone is so passionate about an industry that's corrupt ruins lives and causes suicides. I get you are trying to protect your own interests here and it's your line of work but if your concern is regulations will change then i hope they do change and this drives thousands upon thousands of people to say you know what i can't be arsed with playing online anymore it's too much hassle I'm closing my account then good imo.

I'll give you an example. Missus gamstop expired over a year ago. Every now and again I'll tell her a story about someone who's come on the forum with withdrawal problems. Sow checks. Id checks and remind her of the changes because of recent regulations ( slow spins bonus buys etc). She isn't interested anymore thank fuck but i know if it had been easier to play she would of carried on straight from where she left off and that probably goes for me as well.

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4 minutes ago, ISlot said:

is bandit get verified by you? or his refusing?

He will get verified yes. When he is out of the pub and can be bothered. 

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Just now, Kev40 said:

You say we're all fucked if the regulators clamp down. Maybe this may just persuade people not to bother playing in the first place.I'd guess you would say this would drive people to unlicensed rogue casinos but if people were to do that they would only get done once. That's better than losing your wages every week on payday.I've had many debates with you regarding responsible online slotting and i still believe it's near on impossible to play slots responsibly but that's another matter. Maybe it's because it's your livelihood but personally i can't see how someone is so passionate about an industry that's corrupt ruins lives and causes suicides. I get you are trying to protect your own interests here and it's your line of work but if your concern is regulations will change then i hope they do change and this drives thousands upon thousands of people to say you know what i can't be arsed with playing online anymore it's too much hassle I'm closing my account then good imo.

I'll give you an example. Missus gamstop expired over a year ago. Every now and again I'll tell her a story about someone who's come on the forum with withdrawal problems. Sow checks. Id checks and remind her of the changes because of recent regulations ( slow spins bonus buys etc). She isn't interested anymore thank fuck but i know if it had been easier to play she would of carried on straight from where she left off and that probably goes for me as well.

Alot of industry in some way has the same thing. Smoking. Drinking. Sport. Fabrication. The list is long.

The truth is that online gambling will always be around, there is crypto, VPN, off shore, mutli licences, the list is endless. It will not stop. 

But you guys are the ones "going after" one of the only people from the industry who is also a player, explains whats happening, tried to help solve it, and gives actual insight into what really happens. Which makes no sense to me.

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2 minutes ago, phil_igp said:

He will get verified yes. When he is out of the pub and can be bothered. 

so his avoiding you his busy going to pub 😂😂

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"suicides"

Hi Streamer, since you started promoting gambling, how many suicides do you think you have influenced ? Lives ruined ? Families destroyed ?

My guess Question ignored for the sake of mental stability and profit increase.

Ignorance will win guys, one day ignorance will rule the world. WOOOHOOOO. hmm

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Your using suicides as an argument? People watching streamers will kill themselves? I watched Bandit drinks 17 pints and remain standing, it didnt make me want to try it. If someone is in a bad place, especially in the UK, there have a lot of places to reach out to. Doesnt BetFred do an entire tv advert on this? Or am i misremembering that.  (Btw im fully supportive of a ban on TV adverts pre-watershed for gambling companies)

I cant stop people killing themselves. Also going down this path is dark man, maybe stick to something a bit more jovial.

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6 minutes ago, ISlot said:

so his avoiding you his busy going to pub 😂😂

Haha probably. No, itll be done this week i think.

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2 minutes ago, phil_igp said:

Haha probably. No, itll be done this week i think.

If he gets his name on that list I think he will lose his respect I personally will close all my accounts I open from his links to support him

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12 minutes ago, phil_igp said:

(Btw im fully supportive of a ban on TV adverts pre-watershed for gambling companies)

Same 

And the sheer amount of gambling adverts on Absolute Radio is shocking, I've heard 3 back to back for all different bookmakers or Casinos 

That shit shouldn't be allowed  

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Phil, you've ignored or skipped a post and the head point of all of this.

People will struggle to trust UKGC if they were verifying streamers. Your site has no chance. The head point is that you have offered NO proof.

As it stands, verifiedstreamer.com is not trusted. There is nothing to base the trust on. Literally nothing. 

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52 minutes ago, phil_igp said:

Your using suicides as an argument? People watching streamers will kill themselves? I watched Bandit drinks 17 pints and remain standing, it didnt make me want to try it. If someone is in a bad place, especially in the UK, there have a lot of places to reach out to. Doesnt BetFred do an entire tv advert on this? Or am i misremembering that.  (Btw im fully supportive of a ban on TV adverts pre-watershed for gambling companies)

I cant stop people killing themselves. Also going down this path is dark man, maybe stick to something a bit more jovial.

All betting companies who advertise on UK TV are instructed by the UKGC that at least 20% of their ads have to be about responsible gambling. So BetFred do it because they have to, not because they want to.

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1 hour ago, phil_igp said:

Alot of industry in some way has the same thing. Smoking. Drinking. Sport. Fabrication. The list is long.

The truth is that online gambling will always be around, there is crypto, VPN, off shore, mutli licences, the list is endless. It will not stop. 

But you guys are the ones "going after" one of the only people from the industry who is also a player, explains whats happening, tried to help solve it, and gives actual insight into what really happens. Which makes no sense to me.

Certainly not " going after " . All I'm saying is if new regulations deter people from playing which i think it will do as has probably already done then that's a good thing imo.

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@phil_igp if a streamer has streams with multiple people on them (chip for example, has his two sidekicks who stream without chip but on the same channel), do you verify all of them and their bank statements/casino account pages/money in etc..? 

Just two of your 'verified' streams for chipstunkz he wasn't even on them, as in he was in the UK whilst the other two streamed from Ireland. Ive doubted they had their own accounts for a while, especially after chip showed deposits/cash out screenshots on his twitter which appeared to all come from the same bank account. Now this is breaking all the rules isnt it by using someone elses deposit method and/or casino account. so can you confirm, did all 3 streamers on his channel provide separate bank accounts to get verified? 

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I’m out here trying to get verified on only fans ffs 

in all seriousness I’ve never heard of so much bullshit in all my life!

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1 hour ago, phil_igp said:

Alot of industry in some way has the same thing. Smoking. Drinking. Sport. Fabrication. The list is long.

The truth is that online gambling will always be around, there is crypto, VPN, off shore, mutli licences, the list is endless. It will not stop. 

But you guys are the ones "going after" one of the only people from the industry who is also a player, explains whats happening, tried to help solve it, and gives actual insight into what really happens. Which makes no sense to me.

 A lot of those industries  are renowned for  working from the inside  to keep the money flowing despite the risks to the public   which they had knowledge of.   The fact is that you are from within the industry  and it all it looks  like to me is that you are trying to  make sure that the streamers can carry on and thus direct traffic to sites on which your company works.  It will not take long for that traffic to slow down considerably if governments crack down on streamers and promotion of casinos.  To me all you are doing is trying to invent some sort of verification so you can go to regulators and say please do not do this as we have a legitimate way of  weeding out the fakes to protect people.

At the end of the day do not say this is being done in any way to "protect gamblers"   because that is just not so and it is also why the industry is being clamped down on so hard by regulators.

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I have posted this before but I do believe it is relevant to the argument of the industry being able to regulate itself because in particular it refers to the fact that  casino games are pushed at young people especially and that it is highly addictive   I have seen it described as the crack cocaine of gambling.

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2021/0708/1233948-paddy-power-founder-stewart-kenny-online-gambling/

 

This article also says that the frontal lobe of the brain which gives us control over impulses is not fully developed until people are 25/26 years of age

Many people get dragged into this at far too young an age  and hopefully  with more and more research being done and being financed properly it will only lead the future regulators to do the right thing and make it harder to gamble without proper checks being done before a person is allowed to bet and not after they have lost everything

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46 minutes ago, Kev40 said:

Certainly not " going after " . All I'm saying is if new regulations deter people from playing which i think it will do as has probably already done then that's a good thing imo.

I am playing much less than before even when I play I play low bets just for fun 20p 40p before use to play £2 £3 £4

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1 hour ago, Kinkerbells said:

I’m out here trying to get verified on only fans ffs 

in all seriousness I’ve never heard of so much bullshit in all my life!

the end 

I think on only fans having fake ones is supposed to help

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