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2 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

Phil does have a lot of credibility though and its surely a good thing that its not come from the streamer side of things. Trust Pilot and Trip Advisor gained credibility over time, this site is less than a week old.

The grey area around affiliate money will always be there but thats almost impossible for a site to judge or put as fake money. Its the money put in that can't be withdrawn thats the main issue.

Who would you have do it, what would you do? 

Reading some of these comment baffles me not just from this forum but from everywhere and wouldn't even blame Phil if he just shut it down and then what we all go back to moaning about the fakes and speculating! Lets stop finding everything negative in it or if there are holes lets find solutions!

 

I’m not going to pretend to know more about affiliation or casinos than you Paul as I defiantly do not. However this is in my opinion is why the problem is as big as it is. It can’t be a case of let’s just have anyone have a go at it as he’s least some good may happen. I’ve looked into both for less than an hour and already found flaws that they should of thought of fixing in the first pilot of any such site or idea. 

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1 minute ago, Eaves21 said:

And I’m aware of this and have complained massively and if you read up I’m going to be taking them off my site as they don’t seem to be changing in what they are doing 

They have been this way for months if not years. My point is not they you are in bed with them my point is this is known about them yet you are threatening to do something if they don’t change which they won’t yet still have it basically next to a verified streamer section.

Can you not see the slight hypocrisy? 

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4 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

Phil does have a lot of credibility though and its surely a good thing that its not come from the streamer side of things. Trust Pilot and Trip Advisor gained credibility over time, this site is less than a week old.

The grey area around affiliate money will always be there but thats almost impossible for a site to judge or put as fake money. Its the money put in that can't be withdrawn thats the main issue.

Who would you have do it, what would you do? 

Reading some of these comment baffles me not just from this forum but from everywhere and wouldn't even blame Phil if he just shut it down and then what we all go back to moaning about the fakes and speculating! Lets stop finding everything negative in it or if there are holes lets find solutions!

 

What credibility does he have? 

And if it were me I’d source some endorsement from the GC or MGA. There’s your solution.

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@Eaves21 You would not have a streamer as verified if they had been dodgy but you were waiting for proof, so why have a different rule for a casino brand? 

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1 minute ago, Levskie101 said:

They have been this way for months if not years. My point is not they you are in bed with them my point is this is known about them yet you are threatening to do something if they don’t change which they won’t yet still have it basically next to a verified streamer section.

Can you not see the slight hypocrisy? 

I totally agree with you, I think they have been disgusting 🤢 like I say I don’t keep the Afilate money for my self but if people are having that many issues then let us all know. I’m aware some of my players have had issues and we got it resolved also we got some people who never used our links issues resolved. But I do agree they have gone right down hill and this does need rectifying on our behalf 

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Just now, Chair Slots said:

What credibility does he have? 

And if it were me I’d source some endorsement from the GC or MGA. There’s your solution.

Look him up and see. For me what person or type of credibility is required for this, can't be a streamer but surely has to be in the industry no?

Maybe that will come or can they even do that, there isn't another site like this one out there so I wouldn't know. @phil_igp is that possible?

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6 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

Phil does have a lot of credibility though and its surely a good thing that its not come from the streamer side of things. Trust Pilot and Trip Advisor gained credibility over time, this site is less than a week old.

The grey area around affiliate money will always be there but thats almost impossible for a site to judge or put as fake money. Its the money put in that can't be withdrawn thats the main issue.

Who would you have do it, what would you do? 

Reading some of these comment baffles me not just from this forum but from everywhere and wouldn't even blame Phil if he just shut it down and then what we all go back to moaning about the fakes and speculating! Lets stop finding everything negative in it or if there are holes lets find solutions!

 

I don't care about affiliate money is just money making from Casino or from makeup insurance mobiles internet etc...I just hate to support someone playing on fake money, affiliate money are all over even on alcohol drugs cigarette and they are danger same as gambling

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The problem is > in athletics they do random drug tests & the athletes still dupe them so I don't see how using a select portion of someone's gambling history proves anything at all

The way I look at it is on emotion & not some worthless badge on a stream

You can tell from the beginning of rollas youtube channel he is a real gambler before even getting involved with casinos

I have got more enjoyment out of Tim Eldrige spinning £20 worth on online roulette than any of these other channels put together 

I'm not the biggest fan of affiliation (gambling wise) but I understand it's a necessary evil to keep the streams going and the website

My only problem is these absolute leeches who probably haven't stuck more than £20 on a horse or number out of their own pocket

(Youtube and Twitch need to be held accountable for letting mainly teenage guys be groomed by these twitch celebs to gamble) 

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1 minute ago, Rocknrolla said:

Look him up and see. For me what person or type of credibility is required for this, can't be a streamer but surely has to be in the industry no?

Maybe that will come or can they even do that, there isn't another site like this one out there so I wouldn't know. @phil_igp is that possible?

Anybody who is happily using curacao license or was as one of the main licensing bodies to casinos they are involved in or provide isn’t the right person. Although I do agree Phil appears to be coming from the right place and has good intentions. 
 

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6 minutes ago, Levskie101 said:

I’m not going to pretend to know more about affiliation or casinos than you Paul as I defiantly do not. However this is in my opinion is why the problem is as big as it is. It can’t be a case of let’s just have anyone have a go at it as he’s least some good may happen. I’ve looked into both for less than an hour and already found flaws that they should of thought of fixing in the first pilot of any such site or idea. 

Any flaws can be fixed though and possibly could even have done a prototype and put it on here for ideas as I would say we collectively have a bigger knowledge of it all. But we can still help and make a go of it

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I think what we all need after this day is a good old rolla stream 💪

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22 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

Trip Advisor gained credibility over time

Tbf wasn't it Trip Advisor that saw me in a roof space in London with no hot water, a broken shower, rattling windows and a non english speaking maid that I think wanted to solicit me for sex! :Mutley:

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25 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

Phil does have a lot of credibility though and its surely a good thing that its not come from the streamer side of things. Trust Pilot and Trip Advisor gained credibility over time, this site is less than a week old.

The grey area around affiliate money will always be there but thats almost impossible for a site to judge or put as fake money. Its the money put in that can't be withdrawn thats the main issue.

Who would you have do it, what would you do? 

Reading some of these comment baffles me not just from this forum but from everywhere and wouldn't even blame Phil if he just shut it down and then what we all go back to moaning about the fakes and speculating! Lets stop finding everything negative in it or if there are holes lets find solutions!

 

It is a lot of effort  being put in if nobody is going to trust them anyways.   I also do not see many people looking up this site to see if  somebody is verified before they watch a stream  or sign up for an affiliate link.   Most of the new streamers tend to be promoting the same casino links which to me is in itself a bit of a giveaway

 

Phil has credibility to you as a rep of a company that is known to you but as he is in the background of how most of us deal with casinos   thus he is not known to us

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I think kids trading is way more dangerous than gambling..and no many talks about it. you open an account on RoobinHood you get a credit of $50.000 like a credit card you could lose that in 5mins..you can't just go to a casino and get $50.000 credit 

 

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1 minute ago, ISlot said:

I think kids trading is way more dangerous than gambling..and no many talks about it. you open an account on RoobinHood you get a credit of $50.000 like a credit card you could lose that in 5mins..you can't just go to a casino and get $50.000 credit 

 

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I think he misunderstood leverage and his actual loss was under a 100 bucks, a big trader simulated what happened, it doesn't bring the poor lad back though 😞 

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3 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said:

I think he misunderstood leverage and his actual loss was under a 100 bucks, a big trader simulated what happened, it doesn't bring the poor lad back though 😞 

yes but you get $50.000 credit with 0 deposits lot of kids are taking risks when they know nothing about trading 

they can also open an account in the name of parents without them know

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20 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

Look him up and see. For me what person or type of credibility is required for this, can't be a streamer but surely has to be in the industry no?

Maybe that will come or can they even do that, there isn't another site like this one out there so I wouldn't know. @phil_igp is that possible?

I thought somebody posted his cv earlier on the thread 

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I am out on this because it is a site I would not trust or use  for many of the reasons raised on this thread

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1 minute ago, philinvicta said:

I am out on this because it is a site I would not trust or use  for many of the reasons raised on this thread

Fair enough but its less than a week old, I would say to anybody reading this to give it a chance, no site remains the same from where it started!

 

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One of the reason I love TGC is that the majority of the members say it as is it. They are extremely knowledgeable and not afraid to make their points heard but also listen to others POVs. Paul you have the best, most loyal following, people trust you.

I don't really know Phil other than he's Welsh and has decent taste in music but if he is as credible as some have said then we should be helping make this work. It's all about the naive youngsters (and older people) being suckered into the world of unrealistic gambling or just gambling full stop. Who knows what could happen if we all put our heads together to make it work.....perhaps it could be the end of the fakers, we simply don't know unless we give it a go. (I say we, I mean the people behind it)

I still think Rosh may be real... which is an improvement as I believed he was 100% real so I am catching up albeit a few years behind everyone else (other than his 100k followers of course lol) following that I'm obviously still pretty naive and I've been back and forth about this just from reading some of the comments.

There was/is always going to be teething problems, I mean look at the UKGC, they haven't got everything right, it takes time.....I think most people have made very valid points for and against but surely its worth a shot at making it work. 🤔

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9 hours ago, phil_igp said:

Because i dont spend my time on forums with people who watch streams isnt something to be judged by. Thats like being a football fan for Milwall and decided that Usain bolt cant run very fast.

Are you not Eejit from backinamo?

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52 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said:

Tbf wasn't it Trip Advisor that saw me in a roof space in London with no hot water, a broken shower, rattling windows and a non english speaking maid that I think wanted to solicit me for sex! :Mutley:

Sounds like a decent holiday to me

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7 minutes ago, Jok3st3r said:

One of the reason I love TGC is that the majority of the members say it as is it. They are extremely knowledgeable and not afraid to make their points heard but also listen to others POVs. Paul you have the best, most loyal following, people trust you.

I don't really know Phil other than he's Welsh and has decent taste in music but if he is as credible as some have said then we should be helping make this work. It's all about the naive youngsters (and older people) being suckered into the world of unrealistic gambling or just gambling full stop. Who knows what could happen if we all put our heads together to make it work.....perhaps it could be the end of the fakers, we simply don't know unless we give it a go. (I say we, I mean the people behind it)

I still think Rosh may be real... which is an improvement as I believed he was 100% real so I am catching up albeit a few years behind everyone else (other than his 100k followers of course lol) following that I'm obviously still pretty naive and I've been back and forth about this just from reading some of the comments.

There was/is always going to be teething problems, I mean look at the UKGC, they haven't got everything right, it takes time.....I think most people have made very valid points for and against but surely its worth a shot at making it work. 🤔

Was that sarcasm about Rosh or do you really believe that?

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2 minutes ago, Levskie101 said:

Was that sarcasm about Rosh or do you really believe that?

I was wondering that too 😂

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