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1 minute ago, Secular Slots said:

Both my videos thats quoted on this thread proves that they admitted it and were more than happy to do so. They were not technically breaking any rules, it was the affiliates who were lying to their followers. Prime Partners were clear and open about not letting their affiliates use real money. 

Correct mate and as we both aware of what deals they was offering. It’s not only prime gaming that offer I turn down fake cash all the time it’s a joke 

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Just now, ISlot said:

well if I was you and play safe with all this verification I will not deal with casinos that offer fake money in the past or now..up to you but hard to trust any streamers they giving a gift like they have bill gats bank account 😂

I couldn’t agree more but what me and phill company is trying to do is stop what is going on and I know myself feels very strong about this. I have been so annoyed and angry over what I have seen over the last month I have even debated about streaming and haven’t done any my self since. I wish in a way I never started this as I wouldn’t know what I know now. 

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5 minutes ago, Secular Slots said:

Both my videos thats quoted on this thread proves that they admitted it and were more than happy to do so. They were not technically breaking any rules, it was the affiliates who were lying to their followers. Prime Partners were clear and open about not letting their affiliates use real money. 

so how come they are verified streamers when we all know they playing on casinos they offer fake money

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Back then it was the case - no idea if the company have changed their rules. Plus, if you play at a mix of real casinos and fake, maybe you only send the transactions for the true deposits? Also, if its over the last 3 months thats asked for, then it was back 7 months ago when some affiliates were not using real money on the Prime Partner sites. Its not black and white I am afraid.

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Just now, Secular Slots said:

Back then it was the case - no idea if the company have changed their rules. Plus, if you play at a mix of real casinos and fake, maybe you only send the transactions for the true deposits? Also, if its over the last 3 months thats asked for, then it was back 7 months ago when some affiliates were not using real money on the Prime Partner sites. Its not black and white I am afraid.

It all needs to be looked into a lot more deeper than it is. 

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6 minutes ago, Secular Slots said:

Back then it was the case - no idea if the company have changed their rules. Plus, if you play at a mix of real casinos and fake, maybe you only send the transactions for the true deposits? Also, if its over the last 3 months thats asked for, then it was back 7 months ago when some affiliates were not using real money on the Prime Partner sites. Its not black and white I am afraid.

is like saying ye Rosh can be real money streamers when we all know his fake...P.S just have look at how many giveaways they give away every month easy over £2000pm do you really think they earning that much money from affiliates as a small streamer and they cower all their casino play plus they make a profit? 

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1 minute ago, ISlot said:

is like saying ye Rosh can be real money streamers when we all know his fake

Rosh is real for sure 💪😂

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Just now, Eaves21 said:

It all needs to be looked into a lot more deeper than it is. 

Personally I think your (and Phil's) business model goes about this the wrong way. 

Instead of verifying the streamers, you should work with the casinos and verify them (E.G L&L group or 21 etc). If you can get into talks around the deals that they do and verify the casino does not allow fake funds etc, the casino could then become verified as a 100% legitimate/responsible providor. 

As a customer, I don't really care who streams what, but i like to know that the casinos i play at are legit, verified and not promoting the use of fake funds. 

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4 minutes ago, Eaves21 said:

I couldn’t agree more but what me and phill company is trying to do is stop what is going on and I know myself feels very strong about this. I have been so annoyed and angry over what I have seen over the last month I have even debated about streaming and haven’t done any my self since. I wish in a way I never started this as I wouldn’t know what I know now. 

I really think that fake cash is a smaller part of the problem now. We all now these 50k bonus buys arent real.

I think the bigger problem is the set ups streamers have in place where they can technically deposit real money and even withdraw BUT their risk is totally different to ours. If only 200 out of a 1000 balance is really money then that 1k doesn't have the same risk as my 1k. The streamers then gamble beyond what they normally could, have zero reaction to big wins or losses. All while making out they are just the same as us and we could do the same. That's what I fucking hate and it's far easier to set someone down a bad room doing it. Get some sort of declaration as to what is withdrawalable and how much of their balance they deposited. We'll soon see who's a real gambler even if it is with affiliation income, that is their income after all. Although its probably more an advertising issue than anything.

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1 minute ago, andywilliams1187 said:

Personally I think your (and Phil's) business model goes about this the wrong way. 

Instead of verifying the streamers, you should work with the casinos and verify them (E.G L&L group or 21 etc). If you can get into talks around the deals that they do and verify the casino does not allow fake funds etc, the casino could then become verified as a 100% legitimate/responsible providor. 

As a customer, I don't really care who streams what, but i like to know that the casinos i play at are legit, verified and not promoting the use of fake funds. 

If you could tell me one casino that don’t offer fake funds to streamers then I would agree mate 

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3 minutes ago, Eaves21 said:

Rosh is real for sure 💪😂

everyone is a real streamer only difference is the money they play

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2 minutes ago, Eaves21 said:

If you could tell me one casino that don’t offer fake funds to streamers then I would agree mate 

I honeslty don't know if there is mate. I suppose that opens up a completley different way of looking at it; if all the casinos are giving fake funds, no point in verifying individual streamers as it is not giving a potential customer to that brand the big picture. 

It's hard and i do see what you guys are trying to do, i just can't see how you can win the battle

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1 minute ago, ISlot said:

everyone is a real streamer only difference is the money they play

Rosh has to be legit. No way he can afford those hats on fake money. 

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1 hour ago, bigbucks1983 said:

I love your optimism.

However if a product/idea is launched by supposed industry experts and a bunch of guys on a forum can pick it apart instantly/highlight major concerns then for me I won't hold any worth to the process. Even if the likes of you who I trust sign up, there's still all the questionable streamers that could slip through the net.

 

A bunch of people can pick apart anything.  The whole point is you are meant to. If there is something wrong we want to know. We dont have 2,000 people watching streams and dealing with affilaites. For what you are suggesting we would need a huge team with constant people knowing every deal ever on casinos. Which just isnt possible. 

The concerns are around us missing certain casinos or certain deals that could be in place that arent proven. Fine. We are aware now of this casino group and we will check anyone with history on it over 6 months for a deposit proof, and anyone streaming on it now obvisouly we are aware of this. We cannot be flawless. You have a group here of hundreds of people, streamers, viewers, affiliates, who know as a combined entity a lot about this side of the industry. Its by working together that any holes get fixed.

Go find another company whose this welcome to input and change. It doesnt exist. 

 

1 hour ago, Levskie101 said:

Even if you had a list of verified casinos I don’t think it would be fool proof however it’s hard to see what would be. There isn’t ever going to be repercussions for anybody to be found to not be playing legit, if you end up with 400 verified streamers it would surely take a colossal effort to verify them regularly enough to ensure they are not abusing the verified status by taking up dodgy offers 

It would be insane. Usually streamers have 4-10 casinos they push. We can icnrease how many we ask for proof on, but if we start asking for all streams from all stramers then we wouldnt be able to cope. Up front asking for a specific set of streams will work, as long as people do at times flag things to us of who is abusing certain deals.

 

1 hour ago, Rocknrolla said:

True but its also good that he's on here listening and taking it onboard, there's nothing more infuriating than someone who can't take constructive criticism. There's so much history on so many, its good that anything suspect we can msg him and he can look into it 

Doing what we can! But yes always here for any input anyone has.

1 hour ago, Levskie101 said:

Also @phil_igp I could be wrong and read what you said incorrectly but has your stance changed on using Curacao as the main licensing body when with igaming group? 

I mean its a licence our platform/integrations works on. We also have MGA accreditation. Primarily right now its MGA heavy. I always said a lot of curacao casinos (as in the websites and businesses) are questionable, the stories you hear are mad, but the licence as a whole isnt a scam. Recently due to government changes in NL there are a lot more tracks in place and requirements on the casinos and platforms. I mean Curacao for me is fine if you want to run a casino in certain markets that are unregulated, but moving into the UK and regulated areas is just stupid.

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3 minutes ago, Eaves21 said:

If you could tell me one casino that don’t offer fake funds to streamers then I would agree mate 

if the casino offer to @Rocknrolla bandit fake money way will they ask him for SOW ?

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1 minute ago, andywilliams1187 said:

I honeslty don't know if there is mate. I suppose that opens up a completley different way of looking at it; if all the casinos are giving fake funds, no point in verifying individual streamers as it is not giving a potential customer to that brand the big picture. 

It's hard and i do see what you guys are trying to do, i just can't see how you can win the battle

 

The problem is casinos wont do this if they do. We go as far as historical bank statements and wallet statements, and we go back a LONG way if we need to, so we can mainly get a good idea of the deals in place and the promotions. 

The main issue is - if a streamer is paid by CasinoXXX to play on their casino 10 times a month, and they get 10k for this... does that make the gambling free? Thats debatable on all sides. They are paid for their time.. im paid for my time at work, so from that view if they choose to put that money itno making content and gambling then ok. Its a vicious circle though, as then that money is covered by the payments. but from there you can say affiliate income is also a payment of kind. IF someone is paid 12,549 by CasinoXXX but then gambles are losing 12,549 that month... the whole thing was free?  Again, thats their job, affiliation is the income source, so they are spending their wages on it.

Legally its correct, a payment for exclusivity or promotion from a provider or something (as we all know exists) is within the realms of realism. As they could just keep that money. We are looking for money tht is sent for the purpose of gambling and is uncashoutable from any source. 

 

1 minute ago, andywilliams1187 said:

Rosh has to be legit. No way he can afford those hats on fake money. 

Theres a hat guy in Malta on the seafront. He does deals in winter to keep himself afloat.

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2 minutes ago, phil_igp said:

 

The problem is casinos wont do this if they do. We go as far as historical bank statements and wallet statements, and we go back a LONG way if we need to, so we can mainly get a good idea of the deals in place and the promotions. 

The main issue is - if a streamer is paid by CasinoXXX to play on their casino 10 times a month, and they get 10k for this... does that make the gambling free? Thats debatable on all sides. They are paid for their time.. im paid for my time at work, so from that view if they choose to put that money itno making content and gambling then ok. Its a vicious circle though, as then that money is covered by the payments. but from there you can say affiliate income is also a payment of kind. IF someone is paid 12,549 by CasinoXXX but then gambles are losing 12,549 that month... the whole thing was free?  Again, thats their job, affiliation is the income source, so they are spending their wages on it.

Legally its correct, a payment for exclusivity or promotion from a provider or something (as we all know exists) is within the realms of realism. As they could just keep that money. We are looking for money tht is sent for the purpose of gambling and is uncashoutable from any source. 

 

Theres a hat guy in Malta on the seafront. He does deals in winter to keep himself afloat.

I will love to support streamers when I know they spending real money and they play on casinos they don't offer fake money

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Just now, ISlot said:

I will love to support streamers when I know they spending real money and they play on casinos they don't offer fake money

I agree fully. I do the same. Thats why i have so much respect for Paul and Bandit. They go to a lot of legnths for this. 

But all casinos have a way of doing fake money. We build platforms we know how its done and how easy it is to add funds to any account. Literally every caisno in existance will have this option. 

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1 minute ago, phil_igp said:

I agree fully. I do the same. Thats why i have so much respect for Paul and Bandit. They go to a lot of legnths for this. 

But all casinos have a way of doing fake money. We build platforms we know how its done and how easy it is to add funds to any account. Literally every caisno in existance will have this option. 

well, real streamers like bandit and rolla show many times in-out and they show their sow checks with casinos..if casinos offer fake money streamers they never ask for sow check. and i see streamers depositing lot of $$$$ without any limits on their accounts without any SOW check also special now in uk everyone is getting hit by SOW or limits 

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2 hours ago, bigbucks1983 said:

It seems you're only verifying if money is fake or real but the way the industry seems to have moved, that's only half the problem. Say a streamer gets paid per video but in turn get no affiliation income. Said streamer uses that payment to make another video, gets paid again and so the cycle continues. They still get to keep revenue from the 40 other casinos they promote. Technically they are using real money buy they carry no risk if they lose since they'll just get paid back what they lost in a fee. The huge difference is that their gambling carries zero risk compared to the punter they are trying to entice in. They will get to play higher stakes with no risk, give a false image of gambling and guess what.... you verify them and people will just interpret that meaning every deposit they made came out of their own pocket when in fact its not true.

The same applies for streamers with silly bonus deals where they only have to deposit small amounts to get a decent balance, again they are using real money but only a small amount. Their 1k balance holds totally different risk to my 1k balance. This let's them gamble entirely differently but hey, you verified them and people will believe its all above board. 

So just verifying if their deposits or withdrawals are real is actually just gonna help some streamers can legitimacy when they are totally misrepresenting gambling and the risks involved. Why do you think we see 10k wins with no reaction or 5k losses with no anger or regret.

It's concerning that someone with so much industry knowledge needs a forum to let him know about dodgy casino offers or mysterious balance increases and decreases. Particularly when one verified streamer was using one of the casinos in question.

You're clearly creating a brand/standard so how will you feel about streamers who you have verified as real that promote irresponsible gambling or the likes? 

Is it possible for some dodgy casinos and streamers to retroactively collude to get around your system? Do you go into their live system or just request screen shots?

Its nice someone is trying to do something but I think a lot more is needed beyond just is the money fake or real to create some integrity and avoid the possibility that your verification actually allows some questionable antics to be swept under the carpet.

@phil_igp prefer you give your views ok this rather than bemoaning the fact that your premise got picked at. 

To touch on that though, nobody creates a product hoping a forum will pick it up and fix issues, you try and get it as right as possible before launch. Nor is it a case of 'we have collective knowledge and work together'. You do all that in testing, if working together you would have created a thread or made an approach saying, we have this idea, it will work xyz, before launch please help us. This thread is a culmination of thoughts and discussion, nothing to do with improving your service.

If you have gone live with your product thinking you'll fix it as you go based on feedback then it will never get anywhere. I've read your posts on other forums, you're a bright guy and there is no way you did that so don't be daft saying similar.

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1 minute ago, bigbucks1983 said:

@phil_igp prefer you give your views ok this rather than bemoaning the fact that your premise got picked at. 

To touch on that though, nobody creates a product hoping a forum will pick it up and fix issues, you try and get it as right as possible before launch. Nor is it a case of 'we have collective knowledge and work together'. You do all that in testing, if working together you would have created a thread or made an approach saying, we have this idea, it will work xyz, before launch please help us. This thread is a culmination of thoughts and discussion, nothing to do with improving your service.

If you have gone live with your product thinking you'll fix it as you go based on feedback then it will never get anywhere. I've read your posts on other forums, you're a bright guy and there is no way you did that so don't be daft saying similar.

We created a product knowing full well that the basis behind it was solid. I explained this at some legnth, as its literally impossible for anyone to know 100% what every casino is offering. We checked prime and it looks legit, from the feedback i just got it now has changed from 7 months ago, ive seen 3 streamers (2 who dont want to verify) message me to show me deposits and withdrawals. 

Im bright as you say, but that also means to know when things can be better. Everything can be improved, always. Its a motto to hold on to as nothing and noone is perfect. Things will need to be adapted over time. If i create the thread first then we will not be the first to do it properly. If someone with affiliation (No offence to Ed, he is a good guy) does it it makes it possibly biased (again, not saying he is). If a casino backs it then of course it can be biased. We had to start it without much input and as fast as we could to beat the new regulations coming soon, as we want to trial this for 3 months then submit to get accreditation from governmental bodies around gaming. Thats always been the plan.

 

We dont have a broken product. We are checking the money, and we do this in all the depth necessary. We have already gone back 7 months with 1 straemer to prove certain aspects of income, and we denied 1 streamer verification also. That part of what we do is clsoe to flawless. The problem we have is we will not know of specific deals casinos have in place that other streamers will have heard about. Thats where the messages and support will come in. I would be naive to say i know everything, i dont, but with people giving us feedback its always helpful.

As for me personally, there are over 10,000 casinos in existance. You expect me to know all of them? I would counter that noone can name more than 100. I know there are dodgy casinos, and we of course have a list of casinos we know of that we would not accept any streamers from. But a casino at some point not giving affiliates the right to deposit and giving them fake funds, then changing this decision, shows growth to us. It shows a willingness to change and adapt to the market. If we can verify the funds used were real, from a bank account on VISA, and then spent at the local tesco on a small cashout, thats pretty much legitimate. Especially as we got the wagering and gameplay also.

Some things will need adpating over time. Everything changes a bit over time. 

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@phil_igp   why would any government body give you accreditation  as being able to verify  a genuine streamer when people are pointing out you are already verifying people who may not be so. 

I can only see places like Malta ang Curacao   possibly accrediting it  for their own reasons   and I would highly doubt you would get any joy from UK regulators.

As for Ireland where all these streamers are supposedly streaming from ( are you checking they are not using VPN  to make it look like they are streaming from there ?)   do not even have any sort of regulator  and even though one is due to be appointed this will not be happening until later in the year

 

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3 hours ago, Eaves21 said:

 

Hey buddy. We list people when others ask us to contact them. I actually started my site as I see Paul call out fake streamers and after watching Rolla from the start I could tell how real he was compared to a lot of other streamers. My old start up video on twitch features Paul in it. I even asked his permission and was shocked when he allowed me to feature him. If a streamer that was on my site was known for being fake then I would never allow them to feature in future. I also wouldn’t put them as fake to others as I would rather not get involved with deformation of character lawsuits. Once a streamer listed on my site as not contacted is listed on either my site or verified streamers they simply get removed. But I can honestly say not one streamer listed on my site has complained apart from a few that I my self wouldn’t want featured there real or not. 

Sorry mate I'll be more specific. the list that says untrusted at the top and my mate Rollas name underneath, that is what I saw, I don't want to know how your site works I just dont want to see my boss with the words untrusted anywhere near him, wheather you contacted him yet or not.

For example, you havent contacted the bandit but his name is not on the "untrusted list" is it.

Please remove him

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6 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said:

Sorry mate I'll be more specific. the list that says untrusted at the top and my mate Rollas name underneath, that is what I saw, I don't want to know how your site works I just dont want to see my boss with the words untrusted anywhere near him, wheather you contacted him yet or not.

For example, you havent contacted the bandit but his name is not on the "untrusted list" is it.

Please remove him

That has been changed I believe

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