Guest Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Currently a protest going on outside of the Israeli Embassy in London. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w5000YkKl8 What are everyone's thoughts on this never ending conflict? I would assume despite the threats of a full scale war that it will end in another ceasefire, until the next time. It seems this time more so than previously that Israel are receiving widespread condemnation. Are we to suddenly believe that Hamas and Hezbollah are the "good guys"? The Hamas propaganda machine is certainly whirring to great effect presently, airing those civilian deaths to the world. They seem to be missing out the part where they are almost certainly using civilian shields and are just as responsible if not more so than the Israelis. The Israelis are of course contributing to this condemnation of themselves, the media agency buildings that they destroyed last night seemed unnecessary, they did so knowingly too they supposedly warned Al Jazeera to evacuate the building an hour before bombing it. I would suspect that much more of Palestine is going to be flattened before it ends this time, as the current claim is that Hamas are now manufacturing the rockets inside of the country and not just getting them from Iran. A large number of US Politicians seem to be coming out and speaking out against Israel this time round, yet they are still sharing military technology, supplying them and contributing towards their military budget each year. It also seems quite plausible that the US are allowing it in another bid to agitate Iran into conflict. Anyway, my one takeaway from this is that the Iron Dome is absolutely incredible. 90%+ success rate in destroying the Palestinian rockets before they impact and now it even has lasers that shoot down the smaller projectiles such as mortars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 43 minutes ago, Denman said: Currently a protest going on outside of the Israeli Embassy in London. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w5000YkKl8 What are everyone's thoughts on this never ending conflict? I would assume despite the threats of a full scale war that it will end in another ceasefire, until the next time. It seems this time more so than previously that Israel are receiving widespread condemnation. Are we to suddenly believe that Hamas and Hezbollah are the "good guys"? The Hamas propaganda machine is certainly whirring to great effect presently, airing those civilian deaths to the world. They seem to be missing out the part where they are almost certainly using civilian shields and are just as responsible if not more so than the Israelis. The Israelis are of course contributing to this condemnation of themselves, the media agency buildings that they destroyed last night seemed unnecessary, they did so knowingly too they supposedly warned Al Jazeera to evacuate the building an hour before bombing it. I would suspect that much more of Palestine is going to be flattened before it ends this time, as the current claim is that Hamas are now manufacturing the rockets inside of the country and not just getting them from Iran. A large number of US Politicians seem to be coming out and speaking out against Israel this time round, yet they are still sharing military technology, supplying them and contributing towards their military budget each year. It also seems quite plausible that the US are allowing it in another bid to agitate Iran into conflict. Anyway, my one takeaway from this is that the Iron Dome is absolutely incredible. 90%+ success rate in destroying the Palestinian rockets before they impact and now it even has lasers that shoot down the smaller projectiles such as mortars! A lot of the Nations which are now condemning Israel are the ones who were responsible for the state coming into existence in 1948. Anybody that thinks Israel is going to put up with missiles being targeted at it and it not responding is living in cuckoo land. I am sure that Israel is not going to stop this time until it takes out a lot of the the firepower at the disposal of these groups. In the past the fire from Israel has stopped when they not sending over missiles this time I think the Israeli politicians want to act hardball. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColourMeUp Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 I think anyone who knows the history of it all would agree Israel are scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, ColourMeUp said: I think anyone who knows the history of it all would agree Israel are scum. I do not know why you think it is so clear cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4houghts Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Can of worms question this and not something I would discuss on an open forum. Neither side are the good guys but it's pretty clear which side is the underdog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4houghts Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 One thing is for sure and that's religion has never worked as an idea in all of humans history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4houghts Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Remember orange man bad Biden good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4houghts Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, ColourMeUp said: I think anyone who knows the history of it all would agree Israel are scum. Israel are not a single entity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gkell727 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Whatever you say about it the Israeli settlers in the West Bank living amongst the Palestinian’s have balls of steel. Their house Firebombed every day and they don’t give a shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColourMeUp Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 I will decline to comment further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4houghts Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Just now, ColourMeUp said: I will decline to comment further. Could you imagine the headlines now if trump was in office 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColourMeUp Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 minute ago, 4houghts said: Could you imagine the headlines now if trump was in office I can! Would be hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, 4houghts said: Could you imagine the headlines now if trump was in office The big point missed is that non of this was going on during Trumps term in office and some of the more moderate Arab nations actually recognised Israel for the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salfordlad Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Sadly I think history will keep repeating itself with regards this conflict. Hate is a strong emotion which takes generations sometimes to go away. Unless something like a full scale war occurs nothing will change it will be rinse and repeat. Religion can be a good influence but often it is a justification for/cause of a lot of hatred. Imagine being on either side and seeing one of your parents or children killed? That is going to take some getting over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Fucking cheery Saturday night this is. Still beats watching that shitpipe Vernon kay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_bilk0 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 2 hours ago, philinvicta said: A lot of the Nations which are now condemning Israel are the ones who were responsible for the state coming into existence in 1948. Anybody that thinks Israel is going to put up with missiles being targeted at it and it not responding is living in cuckoo land. I am sure that Israel is not going to stop this time until it takes out a lot of the the firepower at the disposal of these groups. In the past the fire from Israel has stopped when they not sending over missiles this time I think the Israeli politicians want to act hardball. So whats your thoughts? Looks like your trying to get a bit of a rise here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sgt_bilk0 said: So whats your thoughts? Looks like your trying to get a bit of a rise here... If it worked, considering your advanced years, perhaps we should start calling him philinviagra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_bilk0 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Just now, Denman said: If it worked, considering your advanced years, perhaps we should start calling him philinviagra. Nae borr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, Sgt_bilk0 said: So whats your thoughts? Looks like your trying to get a bit of a rise here... Partition never works you only have to look at India /Pakistan Northern Ireland/ Eire Israel/Palestine North/South Korea Cyprus. It will inevitably lead to conflict especially when the partition is done with religion involved. The common factor in a lot of these (not all) partition events is British involvement. In this case the Israelis have one of the most efficient fighting forces in the world and the leaders of Hamas seem to be firing a lot of ordnance which is outdated and is not getting through the Israeli defences. Israel seems to have the intelligence as to where most of the Hamas leaders are living or based and is taking the option of targeting and killing them. No doubt they have access to a lot of US technology as the missile seem to be highly targeted. The Israelis have not called up a big reserve force just to ruin their week end . If the United Nations have done nothing about China and Russian encroachment into other territories they are unlikely to do anything to stop this other than asking the Israelis to stop. They have certainly done nothing to stop Israel from grabbing land so far. You like me are old enough to remember the Golan Heights which were taken during the six day war and are still Israeli occupied now so it is not as if this is anything new. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_bilk0 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 hours ago, philinvicta said: Partition never works you only have to look at India /Pakistan Northern Ireland/ Eire Israel/Palestine North/South Korea Cyprus. It will inevitably lead to conflict especially when the partition is done with religion involved. The common factor in a lot of these (not all) partition events is British involvement. In this case the Israelis have one of the most efficient fighting forces in the world and the leaders of Hamas seem to be firing a lot of ordnance which is outdated and is not getting through the Israeli defences. Israel seems to have the intelligence as to where most of the Hamas leaders are living or based and is taking the option of targeting and killing them. No doubt they have access to a lot of US technology as the missile seem to be highly targeted. The Israelis have not called up a big reserve force just to ruin their week end . If the United Nations have done nothing about China and Russian encroachment into other territories they are unlikely to do anything to stop this other than asking the Israelis to stop. They have certainly done nothing to stop Israel from grabbing land so far. You like me are old enough to remember the Golan Heights which were taken during the six day war and are still Israeli occupied now so it is not as if this is anything new. This is my gaff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sgt_bilk0 said: This is my gaff Last I heard Hamilton installed an Iron dome to shoot down buckfast bottles being fired from the vicinities of Motherwell and Airdrie. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt_bilk0 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Blacko said: Last I heard Hamilton installed an Iron dome to shoot down buckfast bottles being fired from the vicinities of Motherwell and Airdrie. Thats was the crowd when they heard theree was an XL TGC hoody on the go 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sgt_bilk0 said: Thats was the crowd when they heard theree was an XL TGC hoody on the go Im gonna be planning the gesh thing soon, Easterhouse has had another rona outbreak so they have been delayed reopening again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douvan Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 War, uh! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing, sing it again now oooooohhh...war, uh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4houghts Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Douvan said: War, uh! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing, sing it again now oooooohhh...war, uh! People in suits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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