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Is this common practise with verification these days

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"A copy of your self-certified ID which implies that you send us a photo of yourself holding the proof of identity (driver's license, passport or any national identity proof) in your hand next to your face."

 

Absolutely shameless, seems common place after signing  up on a few new websites. Can't believe this is even allowed to be asked after providing a valid ID. But if you want to get your money then you have to jump through these sort of hoops.

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8 minutes ago, Quicksave1 said:

"A copy of your self-certified ID which implies that you send us a photo of yourself holding the proof of identity (driver's license, passport or any national identity proof) in your hand next to your face."

 

Absolutely shameless, seems common place after signing  up on a few new websites. Can't believe this is even allowed to be asked after providing a valid ID. But if you want to get your money then you have to jump through these sort of hoops.

They let any tom dick and harry sign up but make it a joke to withdraw, gangstas plain and simple. 

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Look like a right idiot asking my mrs to take a picture of me.

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6 minutes ago, Quicksave1 said:

Look like a right idiot asking my mrs to take a picture of me.

take a picture with a top hat and you holding a wheelbarrow 

if they are going to take the piss may aswell fire some back 

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When I worked for Blizzard, this was common practise. It usually was necassery in cases where you were uncertain on the legitimacy of the document and/or if you were uncertain the person submitting the document was the holder of said document.

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31 minutes ago, Quicksave1 said:

"A copy of your self-certified ID which implies that you send us a photo of yourself holding the proof of identity (driver's license, passport or any national identity proof) in your hand next to your face."

 

Absolutely shameless, seems common place after signing  up on a few new websites. Can't believe this is even allowed to be asked after providing a valid ID. But if you want to get your money then you have to jump through these sort of hoops.

Redbet were terrible for that. Absolute jokers. 21 didn't ask for anything ever and had no problems withdrawing.

Some just make it as hard as possible to verify so you just end up playing on and losing.

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2 minutes ago, howfin said:

When I worked for Blizzard, this was common practise. It usually was necassery in cases where you were uncertain on the legitimacy of the document and/or if you were uncertain the person submitting the document was the holder of said document.

how many neck beards did you see on the daily 😂

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2 minutes ago, david1111 said:

Some just make it as hard as possible to verify so you just end up playing on and losing.

keep it festering in your reverse withdrawal 

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2 minutes ago, 4houghts said:

how many neck beards did you see on the daily 😂

Too many. But, the process isn't there to make things harder on people. I mean it's not hard to take a picture of your passport held up against your face. Takes literally 2 minutes and put's the fraud issues to bed

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1 minute ago, howfin said:

Too many. But, the process isn't there to make things harder on people. I mean it's not hard to take a picture of your passport held up against your face. Takes literally 2 minutes and put's the fraud issues to bed

I don't disagree with it but it shows they only use it when money is coming out their pocket, they should also use it when depositing if they care that much about it. 

Would also increase the security as both deposit and withdraw photos would have to look the same.

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2 minutes ago, 4houghts said:

I don't disagree with it but it shows they only use it when money is coming out their pocket, they should also use it when depositing if they care that much about it. 

Would also increase the security as both deposit and withdraw photos would have to look the same.

Well, isnt ID needed before being able to play these days anyway? I assume he joined a new site, submitted his ID and they had some problem with it. Then asked for the higher level of identity check due to that problem. So doesn't seem to be a case of trying to stop a withdraw? 

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Well, isnt ID needed before being able to play these days anyway? I assume he joined a new site, submitted his ID and they had some problem with it. Then asked for the higher level of identity check due to that problem. So doesn't seem to be a case of trying to stop a withdraw? 

funny how the id is always fine when depositing but when withdrawal happens extra check boxes have to be ticked.

Not saying they are not going to pay him but I bet the money is sitting in his account while all this is happening. The casinos know the data on reverse withdrawals. 

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1 minute ago, 4houghts said:

 funny how the id is always fine when depositing but when withdrawal happens extra check boxes have to be ticked.

Not saying they are not going to pay him but I bet the money is sitting in his account while all this is happening. The casinos know the data on reverse withdrawals. 

How do you know he's trying to withdraw? I know he said he wants to get his money, but it's rather vague. If he was allowed to play with a freshly submitted ID then asked for this when trying to withdraw a short time later then yeah it's a bit anoying but still, takes 2secs, hardly anything to get in a twist about. Reverse withdraws are also currently banned in the UK. Not sure if he's UK based though.

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With all the technology available now it's ludicrous that you have to take a selfie holding a piece of paper.

I see it as tactical

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No one would complain if these bullshit source of wealth and intrusive ID checks were done prior to deposit. But they never are it’s always at withdrawal stage to delay withdrawals.
 

He hasn’t stated it’s been done at withdrawal stage but I will bet the house that it is. casino’s wouldn’t do it the other way round or they may have players who can’t be arsed to go through it and don’t end up depositing. 
 

Usual shithouse tactics 

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Even if it was done at the deposit stage, or withdraw stage, there is a reason for it and it always boils down to some red flag with possible fraud. These companies, along with most other industries, are obliged to do as much as possible to stop fraud. It's not a big conspiracy to get people to spunk their loads. Sure, most of the time that end's up happening as people cannot control themselves, but there are various tools available to stop that happening, which people chose to not make use of. So even if someone who was prone to reverse/spunk, if the withdraw went through, theres a high likelyhood the withdraw would be spunked soon after in any case. 

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5 minutes ago, howfin said:

Even if it was done at the deposit stage, or withdraw stage, there is a reason for it and it always boils down to some red flag with possible fraud. 

No not correct. Obviously plenty of legal requirements these casino’s need to abide by. But these sorts of things are done just to impede withdrawals. I’ve genuinely had to get ADR’s involved because there was a misspelling in my road name. A 1 letter error and the casino thought that was acceptable to not pay out. Once you understand that the UKGC aren’t there to help and all ADR’s are handpicked by the casino then you start to realise just how corrupt it is.
 

There are of course varying degrees and not all are as bad but I’d say for the most part casino’s will do their best to not payout especially if 5 figures 

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36 minutes ago, Gkell727 said:

No not correct. Obviously plenty of legal requirements these casino’s need to abide by. But these sorts of things are done just to impede withdrawals. I’ve genuinely had to get ADR’s involved because there was a misspelling in my road name. A 1 letter error and the casino thought that was acceptable to not pay out. Once you understand that the UKGC aren’t there to help and all ADR’s are handpicked by the casino then you start to realise just how corrupt it is.
 

There are of course varying degrees and not all are as bad but I’d say for the most part casino’s will do their best to not payout especially if 5 figures 

I disagree. Of course there will always be edge scenario's where things just seem petty but looking for the conspiracy is bullshit in my eye. If a casino cock blocks you, just limit your account so you cant spunk to you withdraw then close the account if it's a matter to get all diva about. 

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4 minutes ago, howfin said:

I disagree. Of course there will always be edge scenario's where things just seem petty but looking for the conspiracy is bullshit in my eye. If a casino cock blocks you, just limit your account so you cant spunk to you withdraw then close the account if it's a matter to get all diva about. 

I’ve had tons of few grand wins in the past and never experienced any issues from casinos. Had a handful of 5 figure winners. Every single one of them have had “issues” extremely invasive SOW checks that make it almost impossible to honour. With all due respect mate you don’t know what your on about. I’ve had to employ solicitors to ensure payout on a win previously and been through the long arduous task of dealing with ADR’s a few more times. 
 

That’s not a conspiracy theory it’s the reality of winning a decent sum off a casino.

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1 minute ago, Gkell727 said:

I’ve had tons of few grand wins in the past and never experienced any issues from casinos. Had a handful of 5 figure winners. Every single one of them have had “issues” extremely invasive SOW checks that make it almost impossible to honour. With all due respect mate you don’t know what your on about. I’ve had to employ solicitors to ensure payout on a win previously and been through the long arduous task of dealing with ADR’s a few more times. 
 

That’s not a conspiracy theory it’s the reality of winning a decent sum off a casino.

I think it's common sense to assume withdrawals of the larger variety will be subject to more stringent checks than someone withdrawing a smaller amount. Calling it a ploy to delay a withdraw is naive

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I think it's common sense to assume withdrawals of the larger variety will be subject to more stringent checks than someone withdrawing a smaller amount. Calling it a ploy to delay a withdraw is naive

It’s not naive it’s convenient. Why would casinos want to fuck someone over for a few grand. Much better to avoid payout on a huge win. These SOW checks are so bad for the player. If you have ever popped cash in your account it’s completely within their power to avoid payout stating that the money is dirty. I had to provide 3 years of bank statements, deeds for a property and many many more strange requests. All in the hope I couldn’t provide. Honestly mate if you haven’t experienced it it’s best not to pass comment. Plenty of other threads you are knowledgeable on.....

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1 hour ago, david1111 said:

With all the technology available now it's ludicrous that you have to take a selfie holding a piece of paper.

I see it as tactical

What technology can they use to see if its really you when only showing copy of ID?
I think its just one more layer of protection but most of casinos dont use it. I personally had to do this on 2 online banks where there was already software in place that was recognizing photo on ID and your face so you had verification done quick. I just want to explain that this is a common practice online in other venues for many years.

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Just for clarification I’m not saying this as an irked gambler. I’m up in lifetime online betting. It’s put me off forever though experiencing first hand the dodgy stuff that happens after that magical win. It’s hard enough to get on over on the casino without having to deal with impossible SOW requests. Then when you think a fair resolution will be made you realise that ADR’s are appointed by the casino itself and I’m my opinion that’s a very corrupt set up. It’s like going to court and having all your mates sitting on the jury. ADR’s will almost always find in the favour of the casino and usually offer no explanation. 

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4 minutes ago, Gkell727 said:

It’s not naive it’s convenient. Why would casinos want to fuck someone over for a few grand. Much better to avoid payout on a huge win. These SOW checks are so bad for the player. If you have ever popped cash in your account it’s completely within their power to avoid payout stating that the money is dirty. I had to provide 3 years of bank statements, deeds for a property and many many more strange requests. All in the hope I couldn’t provide. Honestly mate if you haven’t experienced it it’s best not to pass comment. Plenty of other threads you are knowledgeable on.....

I think your comment is fairly rude. It's a public forum so if i want to comment I will. Youve made countless comments in the past about your dirty money or whatever so a casino asking you for income verification wouldnt be suprising in my eye. Of course Ive never really paid much attention to those dirty money comments, so if they were all jokes whatever, not really bothered to be honest. 

SOW checks yes I haven't ever had one myself however they are in place as a result of regulations enforced by the UKGC. This usually only comes into effect when wagering huge amounts of money and thus not relevant to the majority of the people, or this thread and it's simply derailing the actual OP. Taking a picture of your passport held up against your face, we can do this in less than a minute, so it's hardly a road block anywhere near a SOW request.

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