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The voice of reason and experience shines through your posts @McSplooger thank you. 

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You do yourself an disservice there Ryan, YOU were the one who opened up everyone's eyes to GAMBAN and GAMSTOP, but you needed the streamers to promote this as they had the audience..... in reality you more than anyone I know did more to DEFINITELY ' save a few lives/houses/rent for the month etc' .

Good to have you around if only briefly...... Nice pie trophy btw 😂

Hope all is good in the life of  @McSplooger

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Great post Ryan and hopefully will put pay the same old drivel going round and round and round on certain threads.

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@McSplooger I am in full agreement in most of your statement. However under no circumstances can anyone be encouraged to direct hate towards anyone regardless of the reason.  Hate is vile . We must encourage those people who peddle such negativity to see the good and acknowledge that the bad can be changed by doing so.  Streamers mirror the needs of the greedy and the needs of the needy . We must help both . 

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@McSplooger brilliant post mate and I don't really see how anyone could disagree with your points

Now get your arse back on the forum as I'm sure there's loads of people you have helped and could help in the future 

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10 minutes ago, Garryboy001 said:

@McSplooger brilliant post mate and I don't really see how anyone could disagree with your points

Now get your arse back on the forum as I'm sure there's loads of people you have helped and could help in the future 

My disagreement concerns only the direction of hate.  The post is a great one and does encapsulate most of what we all feel .  Directing hate at casinos just gives them more negative energy. Directing good energy by challenging them destroys negativity and this must be our goal . 

And yes this forum greatly benefits from the sincerity and intentions of @McSplooger.... 

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Fantastic post mate, 100% agree. Good to have you back posting, you where missed😃

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Very good post @McSplooger  .  It would be better if people do not come on here trying to preach to the converted and making anti affiliate  speeches and slagging off streamers who after all are carrying out a legitimate business plan.  They should perhaps if they have a genuine and fair grievance be sending e mails etc to the Gaming Commission or their local representatives  and try and get things changed  by laying out their reasoning .  

After all it is highly unlikely that Casinos are going to do anything about it if it is driving business their way and so the only way to get it changed is to try and get changes in regulations that apply to them. 

For example Bookmakers did nothing about the scourge of  FOBTs   until they were made too and even then tried to find a way around the changes in regulations but were soon bought to book by the authorities.

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@Rocknrolla  please let these people drag the forum down like they have others.   This person is likely to be who people are saying he is and remember that a lot of those people have had plenty of dialogue with him in the past and recognise his style.

I know @MrUKHackz  will sort it if he is  but the fact that you have the system in place  to block these people  means it has just taken him longer to find a way to circumvent it for the moment.

I like this forum specifically because in the main the topics can be discussed and debated and are not confrontational among people who have opposing points of view and also you allow people plenty of latitude when they can be civil about it.

I will just finish by saying Peace and Carrtots @Rocknrolla

 

  

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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

Great minds think alike, removed comments and banned just before your post mate.

It is hard as I know a lot of them comment in frustration from hate of gambling, being blocked in streams and in comment sections etc so I think it can be good for them to be able to to vent and talk about them here. But yeh we need to be a tougher on some of the posts as they can come across as just needless hate and don't want the forum to get a bad rep from it.

 

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4 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

Great minds think alike, removed comments and banned just before your post mate.

It is hard as I know a lot of them comment in frustration from hate of gambling, being blocked in streams and in comment sections etc so I think it can be good for them to be able to to vent and talk about them here. But yeh we need to be a tougher on some of the posts as they can come across as just needless hate and don't want the forum to get a bad rep from it.

 

Thing is @Rocknrolla how many chances do you give, (if) it was him who we think it was, he caused absolute chaos on here and BIAM for ages, in sure he uses these places to vent but we are all grown up enough to have a debate without causing grief, apparently it comes with being an Adult.

For me you have made the correct decision for the benefit of the masses and I know it must have been a hard call to make.

He will be back,and I understand your earlier point, it's going to be hard not to think every new person who joins isn't him if they have a strong opinion.

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3 hours ago, McSplooger said:

Your hate around bet size and irresponsible gambling should be aimed at the casinos who facilitate this. Hate should be directed towards the UKGC who leave this kind of stuff unregulated.

Taken in isolation this is the only Line with which I disagree , and judging by the fact that I have had no positive feedback form you all here --- you don't agree with me. 

Challenges of a constructive nature should be aimed at both casinos and UKGC and then perhaps the positive energy will create changes. I cannot stress how important it is that we do not become like those who hate--- allowing hate is an affirmation of the worst enemy there is ......surely you can see this and will respond by changing the relevant statement !! 

If not then my words are useless here .

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Everybody has taken a certain amount of responsibility. Some more than others. Streamers casinos ukgc even the government and of course the players. In my opinion the player must take the most responsibility as i believe people should take responsibility for their actions but that's to say other organisations can do more.

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I have to disagree with many of the points raised by the OP.

1.Casino streamers are advertising an unrealistic view of gambling  with constant reload bonuses, no max bet on wagering and huge bet sizing.

2.Casino streamers are advertising to the most likely worst demographic possible, the people who spend hours watching these streams can only be described as addicted or mildly addicted. 

3.Casino streamers in the whole are purely in it for the profit, the gamstop notices are  just a formality to make sure they comply with regulations and to keep the affiliate managers happy in which they hold a contract with strict conditions.

4.Casino streaming is a murky and bottom feeding way to earn an income.

In my opinion all gambling streams should no longer be allowed with signup links and they should not receive incentives which the ordinary player cannot.

 

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2 hours ago, Solario333 said:

@McSplooger I am in full agreement in most of your statement. However under no circumstances can anyone be encouraged to direct hate towards anyone regardless of the reason.  Hate is vile . We must encourage those people who peddle such negativity to see the good and acknowledge that the bad can be changed by doing so.  Streamers mirror the needs of the greedy and the needs of the needy . We must help both . 

Yes I agree but I don't think he mean't it in that sense but more to channel that hateful energy into doing something good as if their intentions were good then go about challenging the UKGC & casinos.  

3 hours ago, McSplooger said:

I urge the 'haters' to look at the positive.

 

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

Yes I agree but I don't think he mean't it in that sense but more to channel that hateful energy into doing something good as if their intentions were good then go about challenging the UKGC & casinos.  

 

Perhaps I have read too much into his statement .   Yes I can see that he does want change . We must not engage in hate . It is poison.   Thank you for your input @Rocknrolla  ....  Those who hate must look for a more constructive  outcome by challenging those who have created this circumstance.  The cause and effect is ruinous upon the individual , but only good energy must be directed towards the governing dynamics or you will simply exacerbate the situation.   The world is full of people who are emotionally vested in opinion ,and it damages their ability to have clarity and perspective. Let us heal the divisions and come together  as one to defeat despair and despondency and encourage Laughter and Joy .

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40 minutes ago, Mining might said:

I have to disagree with many of the points raised by the OP.

1.Casino streamers are advertising an unrealistic view of gambling  with constant reload bonuses, no max bet on wagering and huge bet sizing.

2.Casino streamers are advertising to the most likely worst demographic possible, the people who spend hours watching these streams can only be described as addicted or mildly addicted. 

3.Casino streamers in the whole are purely in it for the profit, the gamstop notices are  just a formality to make sure they comply with regulations and to keep the affiliate managers happy in which they hold a contract with strict conditions.

4.Casino streaming is a murky and bottom feeding way to earn an income.

In my opinion all gambling streams should no longer be allowed with signup links and they should not receive incentives which the ordinary player cannot.

 

If I could add to your post, which I mostly agree. It should be pointed out that streamers gameplay experience will not be the same as yours. In large letters across the bottom of all streams. 

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Moral Enhancement.

 

For the most part, I don't think anyone is saying these streamers are bad people. But it is not unfair to question their morals to an extent, they are ultimately profiteering from others financial loss. It could be argued that its the way of the world, we are all profiteering from others financial loss in some way, but I'd say gambling affiliates are far more questionable. Gambling is a highly regulated industry in most countries, it is a dangerous industry for its users. For whatever reason affiliation doesn't have this same level of regulation anywhere. You have unlicensed, inexperienced individuals promoting a product pretty much however they please and making a lot of money from it. That in itself doesn't make them bad people. But lets not be foolish and assume they are morally good when they are purposefully profiteering from an industry that generates so much sadness and despair.

 

This isn't a dig at anyone. Especially not @Rocknrolla I am extremely reluctant to point at individuals in general, as quite frankly I do not know any of them, I do not know them personally, I do not know where their morals lie or how strong they are. In @Rocknrolla's case before any of the sheep start bleating I will say this much. I think he is very conscious of what he has done and what he's doing and what he will do. My perception is that affiliation is an uneasy subject for him and something that he finds disagreeable. I also think affiliation has personally probably caused him some problems. When you weigh up the facts at hand, it seems pretty apparent that Paul goes through stages of gambling online excessively and losing large sums of money, and he does this in his own time, not when streaming. Ignoring his boo hoo no money from Betfair affiliation post, he is certainly collecting a big cheque from 21 in particular each month, and I am sure its very large and juicy. But he also might be the only affiliate going that is capable of blowing through that cheque in a couple of days without adult supervision (his wife). Basically his affiliation might have done him more harm than good. Of course I could be entirely wrong, and he will probably delete my post anyway as alongside his gambling addiction he is addicted to deleting my posts excessively.

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3 hours ago, Rocknrolla said:

@McSplooger Again some great points and have now created a GamStop screen to start on any videos I put up as well as putting it into my obs screen and working on incorporating it into the live stream intro

Question is, when will that next live stream be?

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