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3 minutes ago, david1111 said:

Maybe I should give up work if I'll get 350 a week benefit!

no mate, thats £350 a week you can afford to lose on gambling AFTER youve paid all your bills and rent..... apparently 🙄

😂😂 what a dingbat 

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On 28/08/2019 at 23:43, Solario333 said:

In Principle  I  agree with all the posts you have made and would like to add one or two of my own:

Question 1.

When a casino gives money to a person to play through a bonus how does that affect the RTP to players who don't have bonus funds? 

Question 2.

When a casino cancels money as people fall foul of the terms of a bonus ,where does the money won go--- does it return to the game?  How does it affect the RTP ?

Question 3.

If a casino can vary the RTP for players on Bonus so that high payouts occur , when the bonus is capped at say 500.00 ( i.e. no player can win more than 500.00)  thus although the player win 3k he only gets 500.00 .....what happens to the 2.500 ...does  it go back to the game ? How is the RTP to other players affected? 

Are the casinos using Streamers to apply large stakes so that more RTP remains in their control ??   Ie the wagering takes up so much area or volume of the games action that it actually changes the RTP for others playing the same game.... So the Bandit playing 40.00 spins on DHV  would hoover up all the profit available if he won, yet might  not achieve the wagering required to withdraw the money.   A win win for the casino....

 

 

Hey Solario, RTP is unaffected online. Online slots are not compensated to my knowledge so stake size and bonus amount doesn't really matter. The probability of a huge payout or a big losing run are the same regardless of whether someone has hit big before. RNG is the deciding factor. 

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2 minutes ago, McSplooger said:

Hey Solario, RTP is unaffected online. Online slots are not compensated to my knowledge so stake size and bonus amount doesn't really matter. The probability of a huge payout or a big losing run are the same regardless of whether someone has hit big before. RNG is the deciding factor. 

Perhaps I am just a little suspicious and disbelieving that the actual mathematical equations that control the RTP ,i.e. the the RNG ,has been nobbled by computer technology that sits between the RNG and the actual outcome of any spin -- and its relation to the individual.   I am pretty sure we are being played .....but I have no empiric proof since I am not an expert on computers . However the likelihood that my gut feeling is correct is high.   Somewhere  manipulation is undeniable.  The facts can never be known this side of the fence , only those who practice deceit know the truth, and of course you will be the last to know. It only takes a nanosecond to take my money !!!

 

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@HorseBurger1989 Seemingly you derail every thread regarding streamers to air your views regarding potential slot manipulation. There is simply no need to rig any slots in favour of the affiliates. They get kickbacks through affiliation and bonuses, the casino gets advertisement so why would they need to go beyond this and break laws to give them big wins too? 

Just because there is motive (financial gain) doesn't mean its a feasible theory. 

Channel the negativity you have in to trying to make a positive change. Shouting people down on forums isn't going to get anything done. I suggest you take your concerns to the appropriate governing bodies via email/phone if you are genuinely concerned about the welfare of those watching. 

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3 minutes ago, Solario333 said:

Perhaps I am just a little suspicious and disbelieving that the actual mathematical equations that control the RTP ,i.e. the the RNG ,has been nobbled by computer technology that sits between the RNG and the actual outcome of any spin -- and its relation to the individual.   I am pretty sure we are being played .....but I have no empiric proof since I am not an expert on computers . However the likelihood that my gut feeling is correct is high.   Somewhere  manipulation is undeniable.  The facts can never be known this side of the fence , only those who practice deceit know the truth, and of course you will be the last to know. It only takes a nanosecond to take my money !!!

 

To be fair I have no concrete proof that there isn't any manipulation but there is little need to do it hence why I find it unbelievable. 

The odds are never in our favour gambling. 

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4 minutes ago, McSplooger said:

To be fair I have no concrete proof that there isn't any manipulation but there is little need to do it hence why I find it unbelievable. 

The odds are never in our favour gambling. 

Unfortunately it is my experience that the casinos don't just want to win ---they want every penny you,ve got !!!  House mortgage savings .....they want it all. 

Years ago the Gambling was much fairer ,the advent of computer technology has turned gambling into theft by deception and BTG are experts !!

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Theres absolutely no reason for casinos to manipulate anything. They’re making an absolute killing as it is.

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1 minute ago, Solario333 said:

Unfortunately it is my experience that the casinos don't just want to win ---they want every penny you,ve got !!!  House mortgage savings .....they want it all. 

Obviously, why would they want you to win? It doesn’t mean that people don’t win from time to time. 

The casino has an edge, in every casino game, that’s profit for them. 

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2 minutes ago, RB91 said:

Theres absolutely no reason for casinos to manipulate anything. They’re making an absolute killing as it is.

Of course there is no need ---- its total greed .

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3 minutes ago, RB91 said:

Theres absolutely no reason for casinos to manipulate anything. They’re making an absolute killing as it is.

Every gambler would love that to be true and maybe it is. All a gambler wants is to feel they are being treated fairly and not ripped off.

Opinions vary on the subject no matter what anyone says. If you play these games you have to take it on chance that it's fair.

I'm of the opinion it's not 100% fair, but it's just an opinion

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It’s 96% fair, David 😜 unless you’re playing PnG on Videoslots.

Solario - play low variance games if you don’t find high variance games “fair”. You can play all the 500x max win slots and therefore you will find the gambling like it used to be. I like that chance for 1000x+ and I’ve hit it plenty of times.

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On 29/08/2019 at 11:45, RB91 said:

You’re entitled to believe what you wish, about there being some magical pot, and that the math is wrong. But it isn’t. The only thing that’s wrong is you, unfortunately.

youre just unlucky. The math is correct over millions of spins.

Exactly this. I seem to remember NetEnt saying that it takes 1 trillion spins to get a reliable/ consistent RTP to 2 decimal places. That's how long term the % is worked out over.

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4 minutes ago, Chair Slots said:

Exactly this. I seem to remember NetEnt saying that it takes 1 trillion spins to get a reliable/ consistent RTP to 2 decimal places. That's how long term the % is worked out over.

Yeah, I don’t understand where the magical pot theory came from, it makes no sense whatsoever.

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Yeah but what about the casino AI recognising the affiliate streamers ips and throwing in big wins for them? How does that affect the rest of us?

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2 minutes ago, centipede said:

Yeah but what about the casino AI recognising the affiliate streamers ips and throwing in big wins for them? How does that affect the rest of us?

Ohhhh, that’s bait! 😂😂😂

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3 minutes ago, RB91 said:

Ohhhh, that’s bait! 😂😂😂

 

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@Solario333 Casinos cannot control the game result. They cannot change the RTP. They will take your money in other ways, this is emphatically not one of them. The game result, RNG spin etc is all controlled by the game provider. IVe said this before so ill lay it out again. Casinos work like this...

Player spins ---> Request sent to casino back office ---> Casino removes bet size from player wallet ---> If player has enough funds spin request is sent to Game provider ---> Game provider verifies the casino and player ID for that casino ---> Game round result RNG is created ---> Game RNG result converted to a spin visual possibility ---> Result sent to casino for wallet adjustment/confirmation of no win ---> visual shown to player.

 

This takes like 0.05 seconds. 

 

They will take your money by 3 ways though. delayed withdrawals with cancellation period/promotions and bonuses/people like to gamble. Thats the only way they can take it.

 

EDIT - @Chair Slots most slots are tested over 20-30billion spins. Trillion is just too much and unnecessary

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6 minutes ago, phil_igp said:

@Solario333 Casinos cannot control the game result. They cannot change the RTP. They will take your money in other ways, this is emphatically not one of them. The game result, RNG spin etc is all controlled by the game provider. IVe said this before so ill lay it out again. Casinos work like this...

Player spins ---> Request sent to casino back office ---> Casino removes bet size from player wallet ---> If player has enough funds spin request is sent to Game provider ---> Game provider verifies the casino and player ID for that casino ---> Game round result RNG is created ---> Game RNG result converted to a spin visual possibility ---> Result sent to casino for wallet adjustment/confirmation of no win ---> visual shown to player.

 

This takes like 0.05 seconds. 

 

They will take your money by 3 ways though. delayed withdrawals with cancellation period/promotions and bonuses/people like to gamble. Thats the only way they can take it.

 

EDIT - @Chair Slots most slots are tested over 20-30billion spins. Trillion is just too much and unnecessary

How can play n go reduce rtp if your saying they can't change the rtp ? Surely reducing is the same as changing.

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8 minutes ago, Kev40 said:

How can play n go reduce rtp if your saying they can't change the rtp ? Surely reducing is the same as changing.

The game operator will release several different maths models for a game. The casino simply chooses which maths model they want and stick with it.

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18 minutes ago, Chair Slots said:

The game operator will release several different maths models for a game. The casino simply chooses which maths model they want and stick with it.

Yeah, some providers make one version, BTG etc, but PnG and red tiger and some others make a few different versions. Luckily all the casinos I use have the higher RTP version, as opposed to the 92% or whatever.

 

im just after the streamer RTP versions that @centipede gets 😜

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On 31/08/2019 at 00:45, Kev40 said:

How can play n go reduce rtp if your saying they can't change the rtp ? Surely reducing is the same as changing.

exactly, they swapped the version they get from PnG direct. Takes a few days to do though so youd notice. And they legally have to tell you i think, depending  on what jurisdiction you play under.

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4 hours ago, phil_igp said:

exactly, they swapped the version they get from PnG direct. Takes a few days to do though so youd notice. And they legally have to tell you i think, depending  on what jurisdiction you play under.

Videoslots definitely let me know. I also haven’t made a single deposit there since they changed.

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I am a long time lurker who decided to register just to comment here. 

I think being an affiliated streamer is for sure a ethical grey area (at best). There is a conflict of interest as the streamer relies on people signing up and gambling (and losing money) to make money themselves. So they are advantaged to present a positive image of the casinos.

The problem I have with affiliated streamers is that if a random player just tunes in to their stream then they will actually think that the streamer is "gambling". In reality the streaming is just part of their business model, and is just a marketing expense. They know they will lose £50k a year doing this marketing but they also know that £50k will net them many times that in affiliate income. But yet their videos and streams are not presented like that. They present them as "£2k vs casino slots" as if they are average punters. When in reality they are running a business, and the gambling videos are just an expense in their business.

In such a sensitive industry having essentially adverts (the gambling videos are just ads to drive recruitment to the casinos via their links) that are not CLEARLY LABELLED AS ADVERTS is absolutely awful. I am shocked it is legal. I think affiliate streamers could easily face large fines or potential court cases from damages from other players.

I think all affiliates should put banners on their stream to say that their video is just a marketing expense and essentially an advert. 

Of course this all comes down to regulation. So the main people to blame are the gambling commissions and their regulations that are not protecting players. I actually considered becoming an affiliate after making several videos that generated really good views quickly. But I just couldn't do it. Morally I couldn't do it. And I also think that affiliates could have potential legal backlash in the future. I think a disclaimer at the start of every video which states that the money in the video is funded by affiliate income and that the objective of the video is to drive people to their sign up links would be wise for all youtubers going forward. But I would not imagine this will happen.

Fake money is worse than affiliates who present their content as actual gambling (rather than marketing), but by less than people think. Non-gamstop websites being promoted is obviously the worst of the worst, and probably the most likely practice to see legal action in the future.

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13 minutes ago, HenryThelegend said:

I think affiliate streamers could easily face large fines or potential court cases from damages from other players.

This has got to be 1 of the stupidest things I’ve read. Your saying a person who watched a video of someone gambling can then take them to court because this person then gambled and lost 🤦‍♂️ Behave yourself.

14 minutes ago, HenryThelegend said:

Non-gamstop websites being promoted is obviously the worst of the worst, and probably the most likely practice to see legal action in the future

I think people forget that YouTube and Twitch are worldwide platforms not everyone is British 

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2 minutes ago, VillaLad said:

This has got to be 1 of the stupidest things I’ve read. Your saying a person who watched a video of someone gambling can then take them to court because this person then gambled and lost 🤦‍♂️ Behave yourself.

I think people forget that YouTube and Twitch are worldwide platforms not everyone is British 

Its just an advert. But it doesnt follow the advert rules

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