Garryboy001 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Malkychamp said: So the average person can afford to lose £350 a week and a streamer can afford to lose 5k a week What is your point? From what I understand his point is £350 isn't the same as £5000? I haven't quite wrapped my head round it yet but I'm sure he will be back to explain what he means 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessr Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, HorseBurger1989 said: What £500 barely being enough to buy a laptop or even pay off all bills is the same as £5000? I'm outta here Mind officially blown You lot can declare victory if you like Bye i think also if you want to get your point across to people maybe try not calling them stupid pathetic names like you’re in primary school. Doesn’t work that way. Enjoy your evening 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev40 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 I have to say what i really dislike on forums is people who try to portray everyone's habits and lifestyle. I've read many posts on this thread about many assumptions with no evidence to back up any statement. Streamers are our heroes. The average player deposits once a week. The average player can deposit £350 per week. All assumptions with no evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB91 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Christ, this guy has no clue what he’s talking about. He has no concept that some people have more money, and can deposit more, even if they’re not a streamer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eightblack Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 I know this dude who rakes in 20k a week out of his restaurants.. 5k is nothing to him, he bought me a 2k suit once just to go out in (was offended) some people have cash some don't.. I feel a £25 loss, do you? Everyone's different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGamble Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 @Rocknrolla @MrUKHackz Why oh why do you continue to let this shit happen on your forum? The toxicity grows stronger with each post and day. It's horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 17 minutes ago, PieGamble said: @Rocknrolla @MrUKHackz Why oh why do you continue to let this shit happen on your forum? The toxicity grows stronger with each post and day. It's horrible. Freedom of speech and all that jazz, he won't be here long I'm sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacko 1 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 5 hours ago, HorseBurger1989 said: Somehow this bloke 10 euro hit for 25,000 euros is relative to another mans £1000 hit on 50p In X stake only my friend. How you can say that sh** above with a straight face is absolutely baffling I hope to god you're laughing your t*ts off from behind your computer? please tell me you're trolling Normski? You know what that is don’t you. Thats a DING DING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB91 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 24 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: Freedom of speech and all that jazz, he won't be here long I'm sure Unfortunately for this fella, freedom of expression laws don’t apply, on your forum. i’m a pretty outspoken person (an arsehole) at times, but I know nobody has to accept what I say on a private forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakefraserSufc Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 This Just basics fella dosnt half stick around to say he hates everything about affiliation and the streamers . My man I think you need to take up a hobby before this obsession ruins your life more than it already has . I'm genuinely concerned for you this isn't hate it's an obsession . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB91 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, JakefraserSufc said: This Just basics fella dosnt half stick around to say he hates everything about affiliation and the streamers . My man I think you need to take up a hobby before this obsession ruins your life more than it already has . I'm genuinely concerned for you this isn't hate it's an obsession . I couldn’t love a comment more if I was deep inside it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaLad Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 48 minutes ago, JakefraserSufc said: This Just basics fella dosnt half stick around to say he hates everything about affiliation and the streamers . My man I think you need to take up a hobby before this obsession ruins your life more than it already has . I'm genuinely concerned for you this isn't hate it's an obsession . He’s like a dog with a bone and he’s the dog with no gnashers boring as fuck posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_wlc Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Sorry RB I only just saw the tag. Reading this baffles my mind. The sheer lack of understanding of anything from common sense to simple maths is beyond me. As for slot mechanics, no you cant just alter RTP when you like. I wouldnt play slots if you could. One game provider tried it once, didnt work out well for them. They integrated with an honest casino who fucked them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest centipede Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, HorseBurger1989 said: Because I'm talking about what they can afford from a wage packet or giro etc And its no more than £350 a week for the average smuck lol, so the 'average s(ch)muk' can afford to gamble £350 per week! which is £1516 per month, and £18,200 per year. since when is losing £18k per year the average punter who is gambling what they can afford to lose? youre just batshit crazy throwing out random figures that come into your head and trying to pass them off as fact. I think you read the Daily Mail too much. Edited August 30, 2019 by centipede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, centipede said: lol, so the 'average s(ch)muk' can afford to gamble £350 per week! which is £1516 per month, and £18,200 per year. since when is losing £18k per year the average punter who is gambling what they can afford to lose? youre just batshit crazy throwing out random figures that come into your head and trying to pass them off as fact. I think you read the Daily Mail too much. Maybe I should give up work if I'll get 350 a week benefit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest centipede Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, david1111 said: Maybe I should give up work if I'll get 350 a week benefit! no mate, thats £350 a week you can afford to lose on gambling AFTER youve paid all your bills and rent..... apparently what a dingbat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSplooger Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 On 28/08/2019 at 23:43, Solario333 said: In Principle I agree with all the posts you have made and would like to add one or two of my own: Question 1. When a casino gives money to a person to play through a bonus how does that affect the RTP to players who don't have bonus funds? Question 2. When a casino cancels money as people fall foul of the terms of a bonus ,where does the money won go--- does it return to the game? How does it affect the RTP ? Question 3. If a casino can vary the RTP for players on Bonus so that high payouts occur , when the bonus is capped at say 500.00 ( i.e. no player can win more than 500.00) thus although the player win 3k he only gets 500.00 .....what happens to the 2.500 ...does it go back to the game ? How is the RTP to other players affected? Are the casinos using Streamers to apply large stakes so that more RTP remains in their control ?? Ie the wagering takes up so much area or volume of the games action that it actually changes the RTP for others playing the same game.... So the Bandit playing 40.00 spins on DHV would hoover up all the profit available if he won, yet might not achieve the wagering required to withdraw the money. A win win for the casino.... Hey Solario, RTP is unaffected online. Online slots are not compensated to my knowledge so stake size and bonus amount doesn't really matter. The probability of a huge payout or a big losing run are the same regardless of whether someone has hit big before. RNG is the deciding factor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, McSplooger said: Hey Solario, RTP is unaffected online. Online slots are not compensated to my knowledge so stake size and bonus amount doesn't really matter. The probability of a huge payout or a big losing run are the same regardless of whether someone has hit big before. RNG is the deciding factor. Perhaps I am just a little suspicious and disbelieving that the actual mathematical equations that control the RTP ,i.e. the the RNG ,has been nobbled by computer technology that sits between the RNG and the actual outcome of any spin -- and its relation to the individual. I am pretty sure we are being played .....but I have no empiric proof since I am not an expert on computers . However the likelihood that my gut feeling is correct is high. Somewhere manipulation is undeniable. The facts can never be known this side of the fence , only those who practice deceit know the truth, and of course you will be the last to know. It only takes a nanosecond to take my money !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSplooger Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 @HorseBurger1989 Seemingly you derail every thread regarding streamers to air your views regarding potential slot manipulation. There is simply no need to rig any slots in favour of the affiliates. They get kickbacks through affiliation and bonuses, the casino gets advertisement so why would they need to go beyond this and break laws to give them big wins too? Just because there is motive (financial gain) doesn't mean its a feasible theory. Channel the negativity you have in to trying to make a positive change. Shouting people down on forums isn't going to get anything done. I suggest you take your concerns to the appropriate governing bodies via email/phone if you are genuinely concerned about the welfare of those watching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSplooger Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Solario333 said: Perhaps I am just a little suspicious and disbelieving that the actual mathematical equations that control the RTP ,i.e. the the RNG ,has been nobbled by computer technology that sits between the RNG and the actual outcome of any spin -- and its relation to the individual. I am pretty sure we are being played .....but I have no empiric proof since I am not an expert on computers . However the likelihood that my gut feeling is correct is high. Somewhere manipulation is undeniable. The facts can never be known this side of the fence , only those who practice deceit know the truth, and of course you will be the last to know. It only takes a nanosecond to take my money !!! To be fair I have no concrete proof that there isn't any manipulation but there is little need to do it hence why I find it unbelievable. The odds are never in our favour gambling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, McSplooger said: To be fair I have no concrete proof that there isn't any manipulation but there is little need to do it hence why I find it unbelievable. The odds are never in our favour gambling. Unfortunately it is my experience that the casinos don't just want to win ---they want every penny you,ve got !!! House mortgage savings .....they want it all. Years ago the Gambling was much fairer ,the advent of computer technology has turned gambling into theft by deception and BTG are experts !! Edited August 30, 2019 by Solario333 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB91 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Theres absolutely no reason for casinos to manipulate anything. They’re making an absolute killing as it is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB91 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Solario333 said: Unfortunately it is my experience that the casinos don't just want to win ---they want every penny you,ve got !!! House mortgage savings .....they want it all. Obviously, why would they want you to win? It doesn’t mean that people don’t win from time to time. The casino has an edge, in every casino game, that’s profit for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, RB91 said: Theres absolutely no reason for casinos to manipulate anything. They’re making an absolute killing as it is. Of course there is no need ---- its total greed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, RB91 said: Theres absolutely no reason for casinos to manipulate anything. They’re making an absolute killing as it is. Every gambler would love that to be true and maybe it is. All a gambler wants is to feel they are being treated fairly and not ripped off. Opinions vary on the subject no matter what anyone says. If you play these games you have to take it on chance that it's fair. I'm of the opinion it's not 100% fair, but it's just an opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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