Popular Post McSplooger Posted August 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2019 Since I posted in the first time for a while the other day on the fruity slots 'scandal' I've noticed a huge amount of streamer/affiiliate hating posts. A lot of these posts seem to be negative without any point. If these people were bothered about problem gamblers and trying to help the community then a solution would be put forward with the hate but there is none. I urge the 'haters' to look at the positive. Indeed, I was probably the biggest affiliate hater some time ago but things have changed. I can only assume those so angry and against affiliation in general have been scorn by casinos/addiction previously which is understandable but blind hate isn't the answer. Streamers and affiliates are merely promoting a product. Your hate around bet size and irresponsible gambling should be aimed at the casinos who facilitate this. Hate should be directed towards the UKGC who leave this kind of stuff unregulated. There's no strict guidelines to adhere to so each individual is bound by their own moral compass alone it seems. Don't like £50 spins and affiliate links on these kinda videos? Make a complaint. Don't like immoral fake funds being used? Again make a complaint. I will say this, since the introduction of gamstop the streamers as influencers are in a powerful position to change someone's life. Gamstop changed mine and I wish it had been around many years ago. The ones who actively promote Gamstop and Gamban have probably saved a few lives/houses/rent for the month etc. Maybe the person viewing would be unaware these services exist without the streamer. My argument has always been that slot videos are largely viewed by addicts/ex-addicts and those who are at risk. If you're searching slot videos you already have an interest beyond what is 'normal' and its not unrealistic to say they would gamble with or without the videos. That's not to say everyone who does view is an addict but look around at similar forums to this and its quite clear a lot have got problems. If any streamers read this I would urge them to promote Gamstop as much as possible. Forget the mandatory crap such as 'gamble responsibly' and 'when the fun stops stop' messages. They mean very little to someone who is addicted. Very much like the 18+ signs you see they act as a poor deterrent. I believe it should be mandatory to push gambling prevention methods rather than some half baked message which has no effect. Streamers could set up a dedicated page on their website or at least link to others showing real life ways of getting clear of addiction. Chat moderators could guide people there and it should be the first link on videos. Gamstop could be mentioned before video starts. The power to change someone's life for the better is more important than financial gain surely so why its an after thought at the minute is beyond me. Even guiding to a site like this would be beneficial with a lot of support available real time with a real human who understands. If you put responsible gambling first then no one will begrudge you if someone plays through your links and you get a cut back. If someone enjoys your content and wants to support you then I see no problem in this and good luck to you in my eyes. I find it sad that @Rocknrolla has to suffer because of the rogue actions of others. As someone who really understands the power of gambling addiction I'm sure he's reluctant to be like the others who don't care of know about the dark side of gambling. This means all the rogues get all the financial benefits and he doesn't. This doesn't seem fair. A blanket rule must be made on all streams to ensure fair play and streamers are compensated fairly. The best earners should not be the most immoral. How many people are now living a better life because of advice they've had in a stream? Probably quite a lot. Still, it needs to be pushed by all affiliates and not just the few. I know the bandit has spoken a lot about it on his videos and love him or hate him he's helped a lot of people. People should focus on this and ways to improve this for others rather than being jealous at stakes played or being butt hurt over money they've lost. I say this as a one time hopeless addict. If you're an addict, use the tools available to you. Nowadays there's no excuse. 12 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jok3st3r Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 The voice of reason and experience shines through your posts @McSplooger thank you. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 @McSplooger great post mate. A different perspective which makes so much sense 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crunchie Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 You do yourself an disservice there Ryan, YOU were the one who opened up everyone's eyes to GAMBAN and GAMSTOP, but you needed the streamers to promote this as they had the audience..... in reality you more than anyone I know did more to DEFINITELY ' save a few lives/houses/rent for the month etc' . Good to have you around if only briefly...... Nice pie trophy btw Hope all is good in the life of @McSplooger 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blampy Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Great post Ryan and hopefully will put pay the same old drivel going round and round and round on certain threads. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 @McSplooger I am in full agreement in most of your statement. However under no circumstances can anyone be encouraged to direct hate towards anyone regardless of the reason. Hate is vile . We must encourage those people who peddle such negativity to see the good and acknowledge that the bad can be changed by doing so. Streamers mirror the needs of the greedy and the needs of the needy . We must help both . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garryboy001 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 @McSplooger brilliant post mate and I don't really see how anyone could disagree with your points Now get your arse back on the forum as I'm sure there's loads of people you have helped and could help in the future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Garryboy001 said: @McSplooger brilliant post mate and I don't really see how anyone could disagree with your points Now get your arse back on the forum as I'm sure there's loads of people you have helped and could help in the future My disagreement concerns only the direction of hate. The post is a great one and does encapsulate most of what we all feel . Directing hate at casinos just gives them more negative energy. Directing good energy by challenging them destroys negativity and this must be our goal . And yes this forum greatly benefits from the sincerity and intentions of @McSplooger.... Edited August 28, 2019 by Solario333 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markymark Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Fantastic post mate, 100% agree. Good to have you back posting, you where missed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Very good post @McSplooger . It would be better if people do not come on here trying to preach to the converted and making anti affiliate speeches and slagging off streamers who after all are carrying out a legitimate business plan. They should perhaps if they have a genuine and fair grievance be sending e mails etc to the Gaming Commission or their local representatives and try and get things changed by laying out their reasoning . After all it is highly unlikely that Casinos are going to do anything about it if it is driving business their way and so the only way to get it changed is to try and get changes in regulations that apply to them. For example Bookmakers did nothing about the scourge of FOBTs until they were made too and even then tried to find a way around the changes in regulations but were soon bought to book by the authorities. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rocknrolla Posted August 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2019 @McSplooger Again some great points and have now created a GamStop screen to start on any videos I put up as well as putting it into my obs screen and working on incorporating it into the live stream intro 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 @Rocknrolla please let these people drag the forum down like they have others. This person is likely to be who people are saying he is and remember that a lot of those people have had plenty of dialogue with him in the past and recognise his style. I know @MrUKHackz will sort it if he is but the fact that you have the system in place to block these people means it has just taken him longer to find a way to circumvent it for the moment. I like this forum specifically because in the main the topics can be discussed and debated and are not confrontational among people who have opposing points of view and also you allow people plenty of latitude when they can be civil about it. I will just finish by saying Peace and Carrtots @Rocknrolla 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocknrolla Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 minute ago, philinvicta said: @Rocknrolla please let these people drag the forum down like they have others. This person is likely to be who people are saying he is and remember that a lot of those people have had plenty of dialogue with him in the past and recognise his style. I know @MrUKHackz will sort it if he is but the fact that you have the system in place to block these people means it has just taken him longer to find a way to circumvent it for the moment. I like this forum specifically because in the main the topics can be discussed and debated and are not confrontational among people who have opposing points of view and also you allow people plenty of latitude when they can be civil about it. I will just finish by saying Peace and Carrtots @Rocknrolla Great minds think alike, removed comments and banned just before your post mate. It is hard as I know a lot of them comment in frustration from hate of gambling, being blocked in streams and in comment sections etc so I think it can be good for them to be able to to vent and talk about them here. But yeh we need to be a tougher on some of the posts as they can come across as just needless hate and don't want the forum to get a bad rep from it. 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddy from the hood Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 My g spitting facts. Great post. @McSplooger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markymark Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said: Great minds think alike, removed comments and banned just before your post mate. It is hard as I know a lot of them comment in frustration from hate of gambling, being blocked in streams and in comment sections etc so I think it can be good for them to be able to to vent and talk about them here. But yeh we need to be a tougher on some of the posts as they can come across as just needless hate and don't want the forum to get a bad rep from it. Wheeeeeyyy, about fcuking time Edited August 28, 2019 by Markymark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamuk Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said: Great minds think alike, removed comments and banned just before your post mate. It is hard as I know a lot of them comment in frustration from hate of gambling, being blocked in streams and in comment sections etc so I think it can be good for them to be able to to vent and talk about them here. But yeh we need to be a tougher on some of the posts as they can come across as just needless hate and don't want the forum to get a bad rep from it. Thing is @Rocknrolla how many chances do you give, (if) it was him who we think it was, he caused absolute chaos on here and BIAM for ages, in sure he uses these places to vent but we are all grown up enough to have a debate without causing grief, apparently it comes with being an Adult. For me you have made the correct decision for the benefit of the masses and I know it must have been a hard call to make. He will be back,and I understand your earlier point, it's going to be hard not to think every new person who joins isn't him if they have a strong opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, McSplooger said: Your hate around bet size and irresponsible gambling should be aimed at the casinos who facilitate this. Hate should be directed towards the UKGC who leave this kind of stuff unregulated. Taken in isolation this is the only Line with which I disagree , and judging by the fact that I have had no positive feedback form you all here --- you don't agree with me. Challenges of a constructive nature should be aimed at both casinos and UKGC and then perhaps the positive energy will create changes. I cannot stress how important it is that we do not become like those who hate--- allowing hate is an affirmation of the worst enemy there is ......surely you can see this and will respond by changing the relevant statement !! If not then my words are useless here . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev40 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Everybody has taken a certain amount of responsibility. Some more than others. Streamers casinos ukgc even the government and of course the players. In my opinion the player must take the most responsibility as i believe people should take responsibility for their actions but that's to say other organisations can do more. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mining might Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) I have to disagree with many of the points raised by the OP. 1.Casino streamers are advertising an unrealistic view of gambling with constant reload bonuses, no max bet on wagering and huge bet sizing. 2.Casino streamers are advertising to the most likely worst demographic possible, the people who spend hours watching these streams can only be described as addicted or mildly addicted. 3.Casino streamers in the whole are purely in it for the profit, the gamstop notices are just a formality to make sure they comply with regulations and to keep the affiliate managers happy in which they hold a contract with strict conditions. 4.Casino streaming is a murky and bottom feeding way to earn an income. In my opinion all gambling streams should no longer be allowed with signup links and they should not receive incentives which the ordinary player cannot. Edited August 28, 2019 by Mining might 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocknrolla Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Solario333 said: @McSplooger I am in full agreement in most of your statement. However under no circumstances can anyone be encouraged to direct hate towards anyone regardless of the reason. Hate is vile . We must encourage those people who peddle such negativity to see the good and acknowledge that the bad can be changed by doing so. Streamers mirror the needs of the greedy and the needs of the needy . We must help both . Yes I agree but I don't think he mean't it in that sense but more to channel that hateful energy into doing something good as if their intentions were good then go about challenging the UKGC & casinos. 3 hours ago, McSplooger said: I urge the 'haters' to look at the positive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said: Yes I agree but I don't think he mean't it in that sense but more to channel that hateful energy into doing something good as if their intentions were good then go about challenging the UKGC & casinos. Perhaps I have read too much into his statement . Yes I can see that he does want change . We must not engage in hate . It is poison. Thank you for your input @Rocknrolla .... Those who hate must look for a more constructive outcome by challenging those who have created this circumstance. The cause and effect is ruinous upon the individual , but only good energy must be directed towards the governing dynamics or you will simply exacerbate the situation. The world is full of people who are emotionally vested in opinion ,and it damages their ability to have clarity and perspective. Let us heal the divisions and come together as one to defeat despair and despondency and encourage Laughter and Joy . Edited August 28, 2019 by Solario333 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markymark Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 40 minutes ago, Mining might said: I have to disagree with many of the points raised by the OP. 1.Casino streamers are advertising an unrealistic view of gambling with constant reload bonuses, no max bet on wagering and huge bet sizing. 2.Casino streamers are advertising to the most likely worst demographic possible, the people who spend hours watching these streams can only be described as addicted or mildly addicted. 3.Casino streamers in the whole are purely in it for the profit, the gamstop notices are just a formality to make sure they comply with regulations and to keep the affiliate managers happy in which they hold a contract with strict conditions. 4.Casino streaming is a murky and bottom feeding way to earn an income. In my opinion all gambling streams should no longer be allowed with signup links and they should not receive incentives which the ordinary player cannot. If I could add to your post, which I mostly agree. It should be pointed out that streamers gameplay experience will not be the same as yours. In large letters across the bottom of all streams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessr Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Ewww @McSplooger you’ve changed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Moral Enhancement. For the most part, I don't think anyone is saying these streamers are bad people. But it is not unfair to question their morals to an extent, they are ultimately profiteering from others financial loss. It could be argued that its the way of the world, we are all profiteering from others financial loss in some way, but I'd say gambling affiliates are far more questionable. Gambling is a highly regulated industry in most countries, it is a dangerous industry for its users. For whatever reason affiliation doesn't have this same level of regulation anywhere. You have unlicensed, inexperienced individuals promoting a product pretty much however they please and making a lot of money from it. That in itself doesn't make them bad people. But lets not be foolish and assume they are morally good when they are purposefully profiteering from an industry that generates so much sadness and despair. This isn't a dig at anyone. Especially not @Rocknrolla I am extremely reluctant to point at individuals in general, as quite frankly I do not know any of them, I do not know them personally, I do not know where their morals lie or how strong they are. In @Rocknrolla's case before any of the sheep start bleating I will say this much. I think he is very conscious of what he has done and what he's doing and what he will do. My perception is that affiliation is an uneasy subject for him and something that he finds disagreeable. I also think affiliation has personally probably caused him some problems. When you weigh up the facts at hand, it seems pretty apparent that Paul goes through stages of gambling online excessively and losing large sums of money, and he does this in his own time, not when streaming. Ignoring his boo hoo no money from Betfair affiliation post, he is certainly collecting a big cheque from 21 in particular each month, and I am sure its very large and juicy. But he also might be the only affiliate going that is capable of blowing through that cheque in a couple of days without adult supervision (his wife). Basically his affiliation might have done him more harm than good. Of course I could be entirely wrong, and he will probably delete my post anyway as alongside his gambling addiction he is addicted to deleting my posts excessively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chair Slots Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Rocknrolla said: @McSplooger Again some great points and have now created a GamStop screen to start on any videos I put up as well as putting it into my obs screen and working on incorporating it into the live stream intro Question is, when will that next live stream be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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