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5 minutes ago, liarliar said:

I get that because the bottom line is we all have to take personal responsiblity for our actions at some point. Yet it doesn't mean we can't protect the vulnerable or question how gambling is promoted, regulated or the methods by which casinos attract or retain their customers.

Casinos have always been dirty let’s face it but you can’t protect everyone, I believe your born with the gambling gene or an addictive gene and for people like me and probably you were gonna do it regardless. I’ve had the highs and the lows gambling throws at you over the 25 years I’ve been gambling and the word responsible is very subjective as my responsible is more or likely different to your responsible so really it’s a very grey subject due to everyone’s different responsibleness 

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I agree with the OP but I  have to give one time credit to bandit and rocknrolla. One time two years ago when I just started to gamble, I commented on bandit video typing you say you can't win don't gamble etc, but then you post these big wins, thousands etc on which he replied that he is overall down from gambling and has massive loses which might protected me from gambling to extend. I was surprised he actually replied to a stranger on yt. Same goes for rolla I have seen him replying helping some lost souls on yt. 

 

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59 minutes ago, liarliar said:

I think you fail to understand the nature of addiction. Doing things that are against your own personal interest because you lack self control. That is why addictive products, gambling included, are subject to regulation.

Nearly everything is subject to regulation... 

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1 hour ago, Hacko 1 said:

These threads turn into this because quite honestly if you’ve read one you’ve read them all.

its like riding on one of these

 

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I have never liked these ones. What's the point. First you get dizy quite fast. Maybe that's why? Then is quite dangerous to fell off and harm yourself... Then as kid pretty much everybody had bicycle or rollers so... 

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4 hours ago, Shake&Bake said:

Due to me being a compulsive gambler, I have a very high understanding when it comes to streamers or affiliated uploaders doing their bollocks in on casinos. And I’ve watched Rocknrolla, Bandit, FruitySlots, NickSlots etc etc piss a yearly wage away within minutes more times than I can count. Obviously they have a higher bankroll than I do. And they cash out huge amounts nearly every week. The way they play isn’t a true reflection of gambling online....they know it and the casinos they promote know it.

Of course I don’t want to single out any person individually. “But” they seem to believe and hold on dearly to...that if they say “gamble responsibly” and “only deposit what you can afford” and proceed to put intros and outros stating bullshit that they are in the clear. I’m here to tell them that they are a part of the problem. And it’s a bigger problem than they realise.

Having access to so money and deposit bonuses that far exceeds any regular punter is all well and good. Infact I don’t really care about it. But Affiliated streamers that get these unrealistic helping hands from casinos are the very definition of hypocrisy if they truly believe in responsibility.

The problem is the casino itself. They shove down our throats to play responsibly. Yet use every trick in the book. Including whoring out affiliation to bleed the community dry. Slotting videos are so unrealistic or fake nowadays, that I can’t be arsed watching them anymore.

Sure there’s a few that are decent. But for the most part it’s just not relatable in any way shape or form. And this includes Rocknrolla. 

He says he doesn’t promote depositing or casinos. Yet deposits himself thousands upon thousands every week. What’s his job? Is he a pro footballer? Cos the amounts he and Bandit and NickSlots etc are just crazy! 

Affiliation is the key here obviously. And they all do it fully aware that no one else could ever replicate what they do without casino help or affiliation money.

My point here is. Do not state, hide behind or promote responsible gambling if you don’t play responsibly, don’t deposit responsibly, don’t act responsibly or don’t gamble responsibly. 

Stop lying to everyone and just own your hypocrisy.

Your unrealistic, and the casinos are predators.

 

 

I do not really give a hoot who you are or are not. What you are talking is utter rubbish. And I will proof that now. So lets take @Rocknrolla as you seem to want to single him out. Now lets compare Paul to me. You still following ? Not lost yet ? Right I am registered disabled due to mental health reasons and deemed unfit for work because of them. Paul has a job, or did the last i knew. Paul has a family he supports, in fact they are in the process of buying a house. So clearly he is making sure the family are ok before he gambles. To my knowledge Paul has a £250 deposit limit on the Casino's he streams from. Most of the time he takes that to Blackjack or Roulette in order to hit big for a good stream. Most of the time that fails hence we do not see him stream as often as we like. 

Now me, I play slots from time to time. Generally depositing £20-£50. My target is to double my money and cashout, sometimes its done in under 10 minutes other times it can be a couple of hours play. I only play 20-40p spins. Most i have gone to is £1. Now I could choose to become an affiliate. I believe it would probably go ok as i am not aware of others playing stakes like i do. Or in the manner i do. I play 25 spins per slot and move on. I do not wish to be an affiliate. To much pressure on you, and always someone looking to take you down or expose you.

So who of us is gambling responsibly ? I would argue @Rocknrolla is. He makes sure his family is looked after first and foremost. Then and only then will he gamble. I on the other hand, i live alone, no dependents so just me. Several times i have left myself up the creek without a paddle. Struggling to put money on my electric or gas. Bugger all to eat. 

Does watching Paul or Bandit make me want to gamble in the manner they do ? God help me no, I never could do that. The most I have ever put on a bet is £50 and that was on the old bet365 football pre match and inplay where you could not lose. 

It is all about perspective. Someone who has a yearly income of say £100k chances are if they gamble they will gamble higher stakes than someone with a yearly income of £20k. That is simple logic my friend. 

What I would just add, if you are so against the likes of the streamers mentioned then why are you here on the forum ? I dislike a few, but never watch them stream and wont go and join there forum.  

Also there is nothing stopping you from becoming an affiliate. 

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2 hours ago, liarliar said:

If you want to win an argument, attack the person and not what they're saying. I thought @Shake&Bake made some good points in his original post whether or not you agree. Fair play to @Rocknrolla for responding in a typically level-headed and reasoned manner and for allowing dissenting or alternative viewpoints on his forum. Elsewhere threads such as this would simply be deleted.

For me it's affiliation that creates an inherent conflict of interest because you bring personal financial gain into the equation. Streaming comes less about sharing an experience and more (or wholly) about driving traffic to websites and facilitating signups. As such there's an incentive to provide more engaging viewing, and that equals seeing someone take more financial risk. Thus you see stake inflation (going from 40p spins to £2/3/4/5/10 on slots) and £1000+ spins on roulette. There's that OMG! factor. And yes, most people aren't going to be replicating that. But if you're a regular stream viewer it does sort of normalise say doing £2/3 spins on a slot and losing hundreds in half an hour. And that's not a good thing.

Agree in principal with what you say, but as @Rocknrolla has said most of his videos are losing ones. Most the questions asked in streams are whats his biggest loss, how much are you down etc. 

As for the affiliation it is extremely rare you will hear Paul mention the Casino he is playing at. A lot of the time he is asked and simply does not reply. So why this may be the case with a lot of streamers this certainly is not a one coat fits all 

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40 minutes ago, liarliar said:

Not sure what point you're making.

 

Not everything is addictive, your point that was that it was subject to regulation because it’s addictive. It’s subject to regulation for far more reasons, just like everything else.

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1 minute ago, RB91 said:

Not everything is addictive, your point that was that it was subject to regulation because it’s addictive. It’s subject to regulation for far more reasons, just like everything else.

Absolutely, because of the potential for money laundering, for example. I don't think that invalidates the point I was making. Perhaps I could have been more specific however I thought the following could be reasonably implied. The provision of gambling services is subject to regulation that exists specifically due to the nature of the product, the known potential for addiction and the social harm that can result.

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The fact is most industries don’t advertise responsibly it doesn’t matter what industry it is either, Let’s take virtually Any car manufacturer as an example, They make cars that go 160 mph when the speed limit is 70mph in this country some person then goes and buys a car and crashes going 110mph who’s to blame here? Do you ever read or hear people saying it’s The manufacturers fault? No because it’s the persons fault who chose to do such a thing, just because the car can do 160mph doesn’t mean you have to do it does it? It really does boil down to each individual TAKING responsibility for the things they do in life. Unfortunately life is not like being in school when the teacher is yelling in your face telling you to stop laughing but your answer is but miss Simon is making me.?

There is only so much streamers can say/do to promote whatever product/casino and if the good things they put on there streams regarding gambling “responsibly” is regarded as adequate outweighs the not so positive stuff like getting bigger bonuses that the punters won’t get then yes there is room for improvement but there isn’t much more they can do other than hope that not everyone watching is a degen.

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4 hours ago, david1111 said:

I get what you are saying, but with the fobts I think it was different. People didn't stand a chance. I never played them but I know someone who did. He actually spoke to a bookies member of staff who he knew.

She advised him not to play as on the roulette your chance of winning diminished after each spin.

If that's true and I've no reason to disbelieve him then it's robbery

What a load of cobblers. The fact the UK has such a strong regulator means that FOBTs are the single most audited form of gambling ever to exist in the UK. Your chances of winning are exactly the same - every spin. Your chances of losing are always greater than winning - every spin.

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6 minutes ago, PieGamble said:

What a load of cobblers. The fact the UK has such a strong regulator means that FOBTs are the single most audited form of gambling ever to exist in the UK. Your chances of winning are exactly the same - every spin. Your chances of losing are always greater than winning - every spin.

Like I said only passing on what I was told. 

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48 minutes ago, PieGamble said:

What a load of cobblers. The fact the UK has such a strong regulator means that FOBTs are the single most audited form of gambling ever to exist in the UK. Your chances of winning are exactly the same - every spin. Your chances of losing are always greater than winning - every spin.

I'll tell you a story a true one at that. After hundreds and hundreds of sessions on fobts did you ever notice occasionally if you hit the button the same time as someone else on another terminal the same number came in. Coincidence we thought. So anyway we tested this theory and i would advise even try it yourself. Global draw fobt me in one bookies my mates in another bookies up the road same numbers covered on a fobt on the phone to each other. I'm like calling a countdown on the phone 3 2 1 hit start button both hitting the button simultaneously. Same number on both terminals time and time again spin after spin. This to me proved they are no way random. We did this for approximately 20 spins. 

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2 minutes ago, HorseBurger1989 said:

One thing I've noticed is these streamers seem to take it in turns on the big wins as well 

Fruity had a massive win a couple of weeks back on 300 shields? Now Nick Slots is cashing out decent amounts this past week 

This has something to do with the amount of spins they are able to put through them with their "deposit money", ie their deposit bonus cash they are all get from these generous casinos 

What's getting lost in translation though is, they have managed to turn the whole argument into a conspiracy theory ie "fake or real money", that's exactly what they want and its a perfect smokescreen. No one is questioning the above mentioned they are questioning something that makes sod all difference in the grand scheme of things.

We really don't like nick slots do you ? and don't say he's a hero of mine cos i dont watch him. It just seems every post i read you mention him. 

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6 minutes ago, HorseBurger1989 said:

One thing I've noticed is these streamers seem to take it in turns on the big wins as well 

Fruity had a massive win a couple of weeks back on 300 shields? Now Nick Slots is cashing out decent amounts this past week 

This has something to do with the amount of spins they are able to put through them with their "deposit money", ie their deposit bonus cash they are all get from these generous casinos 

What's getting lost in translation though is, they have managed to turn the whole argument into a conspiracy theory ie "fake or real money", that's exactly what they want and its a perfect smokescreen. No one is questioning the above mentioned they are questioning something that makes sod all difference in the grand scheme of things.

you are an absolute loon

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5 minutes ago, HorseBurger1989 said:

Nice one 

Any type of argument to counter or is it just gifs and pointless pics?

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nope. its pointless arguing with someone who clearly has issues with narcissism or egocentrism. I cant quite decide which category you fall into yet

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3 minutes ago, HorseBurger1989 said:

i find it pointless arguing with someone who has his head so far up his ar*e he's poking out of his own mouth, fluffs of hair poking out with bile all over it.

so your argument is, that ive got my head up my arse because you've spouting shit about streamers taking it in turns to win, and ive called you a loon (which i think is a given) for thinking that nonsense

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17 minutes ago, Kev40 said:

I'll tell you a story a true one at that. After hundreds and hundreds of sessions on fobts did you ever notice occasionally if you hit the button the same time as someone else on another terminal the same number came in. Coincidence we thought. So anyway we tested this theory and i would advise even try it yourself. Global draw fobt me in one bookies my mates in another bookies up the road same numbers covered on a fobt on the phone to each other. I'm like calling a countdown on the phone 3 2 1 hit start button both hitting the button simultaneously. Same number on both terminals time and time again spin after spin. This to me proved they are no way random. We did this for approximately 20 spins. 

I find this story to incredibly unlikely.  The only feasible explanation could be if they were intentionally using a shared RNG result which I've never heard of.  I will ask around though because if this were true then it opens up some avenues for exploiting those machines which I find hard to believe. May I ask which year the last time you saw this behaviour?

But suppose your story is accurate - you still both received an outcome which was determined at random which is precisely the same as if you sat next to each other at a real casino betting on the same wheel.

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Just now, PieGamble said:

I find this story to incredibly unlikely.  The only feasible explanation could be if they were intentionally using a shared RNG result which I've never heard of.  I will ask around though because if this were true then it opens up some avenues for exploiting those machines which I find hard to believe. May I ask which year the last time you saw this behaviour?

But suppose your story is accurate - you still both received an outcome which was determined at random which is precisely the same as if you sat next to each other at a real casino betting on the same wheel.

That's what we did. I think one was stan james and one was corals. We covered middle line 5 to 32. We didn't have the exact amount on each number but covered the same numbers. I can't remember exactly how many times the same number came out. I think it was about 8 out of the first 10. It was around 2008 i would think. I'm not telling this to start a debate. It's just to say my experiment. Personally I'd love to find out how it happened. 

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3 minutes ago, HorseBurger1989 said:

I've backed it up with a strong opinion on why I think these should be booted off 

You just haven't processed all of the post, only the bit where I question your belief system ie streamers and it being possible to win big, and immediately jumped on that and been triggered 

Sadly I can't help with that

 

well, well done with that. 

that strong opinion like.

you really know how to convince people to your argument using solid evidence and facts. 

big well done to you ???

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10 minutes ago, Kev40 said:

That's what we did. I think one was stan james and one was corals. We covered middle line 5 to 32. We didn't have the exact amount on each number but covered the same numbers. I can't remember exactly how many times the same number came out. I think it was about 8 out of the first 10. It was around 2008 i would think. I'm not telling this to start a debate. It's just to say my experiment. Personally I'd love to find out how it happened. 

That would not surprise me at all, not different bookie but have seen 2 machines next to each other land on the same number when spin was hit simultaneously. This was many years ago though never really thought much of it

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