Guest Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: yes of course there are, I knew a guy that supplied illegal cannabis oil to cancer patients for free, travelled at his own expense and risked his liberty, he was however still "supplying" a controlled substance aka drug dealing. Back on topic, affiliation is something that exists in every industry on the planet, its out of your control, accept it, thats how the world goes round. Now you have accepted it would you rather a "good" affiliate or a "bad" one, its pretty simple stuff. Just as an addition. If dressing up an affiliation site as some form of mecca for responsible gambling is "good". I really don't want to know what you think is bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Miller26 said: Solario mate she had a big part in bringing gamstop to the masses and has probably had a small part to play in saving people’s lives . There’s a lot signed up to it on here and just tonight one highly respected member has signed up to it Yes I have no criticism on that score , neither can I make a judgement about her role as an affiliate. But I reserve the right to state unequivocally that there is no place for affiliation in the industry because it corrupts many people unduly, although not all. And I am sure @Nicola would be the first to allow me to have this view. Its great also that she is trying to put a stop to the Bonus buy , which I think is fraudulent....and entrapment . Some afflatus end up being lobbyists for the casino and that is absolutely criminal. Edited May 26, 2019 by Solario333 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Denman said: I do not comprehend what you think makes you and Nicola "good" affiliates and what makes other affiliates "bad". I wasn't referring to myself as I'm not an affiliate, I think I'd be a bloody good one though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Denman said: Just as an addition. If dressing up an affiliation site as some form of mecca for responsible gambling is "good". I really don't want to know what you think is bad! I was referring to her as a human being, I know its nice to think of all affiliates as monsters but she is a human being and a real gambler and although I havn't seen her site I know she was behind Gamstop coming to fruition and look how many gamblers that has saved/helped. Is that not worthy of the title "good" ? Things like that tend to be ignored as they don't fit the agenda of tarring all affiliates as parasites. Also regarding welcome bonuses on the said aff links, nobody is getting trapped anymore wherever they sign up as its a legal requirement that your cash and bonus money are not tied together, I also believe the max bet doesn't even exist anymore when your playing with your own cash first so they really are a free second chance, hence why I take them all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markymark Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Nicola said: Might be worth checking when GamStop was founded, and who helped with the organisation both financially and tested it I'm proud of what I do, the team I work with every day and things I have personally contributed to the industry. I meet with the UKGC every three months, conference call once a month and am tightening up this industry with all my might. Without derailing the thread anymore, I have already invited to meet with you to discuss things as I'm interested in your thoughts. If not, that's ok too As you have now involved other members of staff into this discussion, I can no longer discuss this further. I'm sure you understand this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: I was referring to her as a human being, I know its nice to think of all affiliates as monsters but she is a human being and a real gambler and although I havn't seen her site I know she was behind Gamstop coming to fruition and look how many gamblers that has saved/helped. Is that not worthy of the title "good" ? Things like that tend to be ignored as they don't fit the agenda of tarring all affiliates as parasites. Also regarding welcome bonuses on the said aff links, nobody is getting trapped anymore wherever they sign up as its a legal requirement that your cash and bonus money are not tied together, I also believe the max bet doesn't even exist anymore when your playing with your own cash first so they really are a free second chance, hence why I take them all! I believe you have adequately vouchsafed the character @Nicola and I am pleased she is on the forum to clarify her intent regarding the matters we have discussed. The Gambling industry must look towards the real culprits , who of course are the money men behind all this greed and debased behaviour, and the MPs who lobbied by the main bookmakers , will always take three years to do something that needs to be done in one year. No online casinos have proven that RTP is working properly . Every Gambler who plays online is losing 40% plus every month , over a year. This is not entertainment or Gambling its computer theft. So Gamstop is a Godsend , and I personally would like to thank @Nicola for her part in bringing it here !!! Edited May 26, 2019 by Solario333 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: I wasn't referring to myself as I'm not an affiliate, I think I'd be a bloody good one though I am aware of what you meant. My perception which could be entirely wrong is that at this stage @Rocknrolla is a bit of a reluctant affiliate. He certainly seems to be reluctant to advertise or even mention the casino's he is playing on the last few times I have watched him stream. While of course he still is an affiliate and there are links on this site towards such things, I can't imagine he would lose any sleep if affiliation was to suddenly disappear, he may even approve of such a thing. Does that make him a good affiliate? No, as my opinion is that the casino industry does far more harm than good, I do not believe that there is any such thing as a good affiliate. But is he doing it obnoxiously? No. Does he try to sugar coat it as something else? No. As such he isn't someone whom I would use as an example when discussing the negativity of affiliation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 The fact your so against affiliation as a whole @Denman then I understand why you wouldn't see any as "good" My point is this though, affiliation is a thing and it's a thing that isn't going to go away so with that in mind surely it would be better if the affiliates were people with good morals and business practice rather than someone who is just riding the gravy train, possibly not even a gambler themselves, that is what I meant as "good" and "bad" affiliation. A good affiliate knows the industry inside out, finds the best deals for players and works with every player on a personal level if needed, that's not what the majority of affiliates do and I also would love to see the back of them, I'd also hazard a guess it's a similar reason which makes @Rocknrolla un keen to swim in the same pond as these creatures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: I was referring to her as a human being, I know its nice to think of all affiliates as monsters but she is a human being and a real gambler and although I havn't seen her site I know she was behind Gamstop coming to fruition and look how many gamblers that has saved/helped. Is that not worthy of the title "good" ? Things like that tend to be ignored as they don't fit the agenda of tarring all affiliates as parasites. Also regarding welcome bonuses on the said aff links, nobody is getting trapped anymore wherever they sign up as its a legal requirement that your cash and bonus money are not tied together, I also believe the max bet doesn't even exist anymore when your playing with your own cash first so they really are a free second chance, hence why I take them all! I have not said that she is a monster. I will take hers and your word for it that she has done some good and continues to do some good. Yet still I see a site that she is advertising branded in such a way to make you believe that is more a site about responsible gambling and such, yet it contains literally HUNDREDS of affiliate links to hundreds of different casinos. It is a site just the same as AskGamblers and any other "Top Casino" sites dressed up as something that it is not. Profiteering from losing gamblers while also trying to present yourself as the Mother Theresa of the Gambling Industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicola Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Denman said: I have not said that she is a monster. I will take hers and your word for it that she has done some good and continues to do some good. Yet still I see a site that she is advertising branded in such a way to make you believe that is more a site about responsible gambling and such, yet it contains literally HUNDREDS of affiliate links to hundreds of different casinos. It is a site just the same as AskGamblers and any other "Top Casino" sites dressed up as something that it is not. Profiteering from losing gamblers while also trying to present yourself as the Mother Theresa of the Gambling Industry. As I'm from Malta, a catholic country, we all aspire to be Mother Theresa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: The fact your so against affiliation as a whole @Denman then I understand why you wouldn't see any as "good" My point is this though, affiliation is a thing and it's a thing that isn't going to go away so with that in mind surely it would be better if the affiliates were people with good morals and business practice rather than someone who is just riding the gravy train, possibly not even a gambler themselves, that is what I meant as "good" and "bad" affiliation. A good affiliate knows the industry inside out, finds the best deals for players and works with every player on a personal level if needed, that's not what the majority of affiliates do and I also would love to see the back of them, I'd also hazard a guess it's a similar reason which makes @Rocknrolla un keen to swim in the same pond as these creatures. I don't know why you are so sure of that. I am personally of the belief that it is only a matter of time, and it will be sooner rather than later. There is just no way with the way it has evolved that it will be allowed to continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Denman said: I don't know why you are so sure of that. I am personally of the belief that it is only a matter of time, and it will be sooner rather than later. There is just no way with the way it has evolved that it will be allowed to continue. Without affiliation there would be no casino's so it won't happen, it will just progressively become more and more tightly regulated on all platforms, thats my opinion anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Just now, MrUKHackz said: Without affiliation there would be no casino's so it won't happen, it will just progressively become more and more tightly regulated on all platforms, thats my opinion anyway. Of course the casino's would still exist. It may remove many of the smaller ones from the UK Market, but the bookmaker casino's and the likes of Videoslots, Leo Vegas and 21 would all likely still be perfectly fine. I mean fuck me, Leo Vegas have gone next level affiliation, they've replaced the dorky people on the internet with football players and Delia Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MrUKHackz Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, Denman said: It may remove many of the smaller ones from the UK Market, but the bookmaker casino's and the likes of Videoslots, Leo Vegas and 21 would all likely still be perfectly fine. A few huge* outfits running the show as a monopoly, sounds great! Oh wait thats what happened with the high street bookmakers and look how shit that is! *21 are nowhere near the size of the other two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jok3st3r Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 You both make great points tbh. My eyes are more open for sure.... Now usually @MrUKHackz would pop in to calm the situation, not that's it's out of control now. But who comes in when Hackz is a participant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 minute ago, MrUKHackz said: A few huge* outfits running the show as a monopoly, sounds great! Oh wait thats what happened with the high street bookmakers and look how shit that is! *21 are nowhere near the size of the other two I would say clearing out all of the shite is worth having lets say 20-50 casinos to choose from instead of like 500... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinkerbells Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 Finally a fucking post that I've actually enjoyed reading. Now this is a touchy subject but you know what fair play to all that's had the balls to put their genuine points and opinions across. I don't think the chats been out of order I think some questions were brought up that need genuine answers. I've been away but I'm actually happy to see a post that's usually brushed under the carpet on other forms. I will now crawl back under my rock.. Xx 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Denman said: I would say clearing out all of the shite is worth having lets say 20-50 casinos to choose from instead of like 500... 50 casinos would do me, not a few huge outfits running the show, we basically agree on 99% of stuff just not affiliation so lets leave it there, especially as I'm not even an affiliate, well I am but only for vegan mankini's but I don't talk about it on here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kinkerbells said: I will now crawl back under my rock.. Is that code for go back to youtube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, Kinkerbells said: Finally a fucking post that I've actually enjoyed reading. Now this is a touchy subject but you know what fair play to all that's had the balls to put their genuine points and opinions across. I don't think the chats been out of order I think some questions were brought up that need genuine answers. I've been away busy shagging everyone I meet with a pulse, or barely a pulse. I am literally drowning in cock so I haven't been able to get on here much. . Xx I fixed it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinkerbells Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Denman said: I fixed it for you. Literally hate you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jok3st3r Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 @MrUKHackz genuine question. More curiosity than anything ... Do you share your big slot wins on other forums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crunchie Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 13 hours ago, Denman said: I have not said that she is a monster. I will take hers and your word for it that she has done some good and continues to do some good. Yet still I see a site that she is advertising branded in such a way to make you believe that is more a site about responsible gambling and such, yet it contains literally HUNDREDS of affiliate links to hundreds of different casinos. It is a site just the same as AskGamblers and any other "Top Casino" sites dressed up as something that it is not. Profiteering from losing gamblers while also trying to present yourself as the Mother Theresa of the Gambling Industry. It does sound a bit like an anti smoking campaign warning you about the hazards of smoking.... with accompanying links to money off Benson & Hedges and Marlboro!? I'm sitting on the fence at the mo but she does seem to be backing both sides. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crunchie Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 13 hours ago, Denman said: I fixed it for you. There has to be a tasteless jimmy saville joke there somewhere...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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