Tom88

Applying a vetting system to the bookies

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High stake sessions should require some sort of vetting system and membership before being able to spend a shit load of money. I have self excluded myself from the Ladbrokes near to where I work twice via gamble aware and by filling in the self exclusion form yet I walk in just last week a blow 2.5k! But Im told it’s a voluntary exclusion - what the fuck does that even mean! 

Am I being dumb or should the bookies treat customer the same as in a casino by having a registration to be allowed in? 

Fuck the fobts 

 

Tom

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There to small to be considered a casino . or to have a card to be able to play . it might in the future  ,but yeah thats stupid asking to be excluded and still being able to go there an play  really sucks  ,  just wondering  what happens if u sue them  cuz they let u in . 

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Yes they should have a membership policy. I wonder if ur entitled to your money back? I know where you are coming from fella. Try and redirect your routes you take to destinations so that they dont pass a bookmaker. Advice from me would be to go to a casino instead if you really feel the urge to play and you have the funds and means to do so. Be sensible - the fobts have a max win of 500 per spin and a max bet of 100 per spin - do the math. The percentages are also shitter than they used to be. If you have a problem with gambling and u find it hard to hold onto ur wages on payday then do what i do and set up a standing order on ur payday with a delayed date to a bank of somebody close person to you that way u get a few days to think about what u should really be doing with your wages. Works for me.. 

 

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Sorry to hear that Tom, something needs to be done, this debate has been going on for years now about the bookies taking responsibility, they need to take action

Fuck The :fobt:'s

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There is a vetting system in place 

 

  • To talk to some about self-exclusion from more than one bookmaker in your area, call: 0800 294 2060
  • The opening hours are Monday to Friday, 9am until 6pm. You may also leave a message and they will call you back.
  • You will be asked to provide a recent and clear colour photograph.
  • Using this scheme, the self-exclusion is for a minimum of 12 months 
  • As part of the self-exclusion, you must agree not to enter any of the shops that you have asked to be excluded from. 
  • If you do enter any of the shops and are recognised by any member of staff, you will be asked to leave immediately. 
  • If you do breach your exclusion, any bets will not be refunded.

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9 minutes ago, Dave said:

I wish you could honestly have a insight how complacent members of staff are at the bookies, no one cares if they’re self excluded, problem gambler or too young. Maybe it’s just the West Midlands / Staffordshire but I promise you dude they don’t give a fuck. The time I’m talking about every transaction was done on a card payment point, they knew who I was. Roll on the long over due gambling revue.

 

  • To talk to some about self-exclusion from more than one bookmaker in your area, call: 0800 294 2060
  • The opening hours are Monday to Friday, 9am until 6pm. You may also leave a message and they will call you back.
  • You will be asked to provide a recent and clear colour photograph.
  • Using this scheme, the self-exclusion is for a minimum of 12 months 
  • As part of the self-exclusion, you must agree not to enter any of the shops that you have asked to be excluded from. 
  • If you do enter any of the shops and are recognised by any member of staff, you will be asked to leave immediately. 
  • If you do breach your exclusion, any bets will not be refunded.

 

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On 2/27/2018 at 10:16 PM, Tom88 said:

High stake sessions should require some sort of vetting system and membership before being able to spend a shit load of money. I have self excluded myself from the Ladbrokes near to where I work twice via gamble aware and by filling in the self exclusion form yet I walk in just last week a blow 2.5k! But Im told it’s a voluntary exclusion - what the fuck does that even mean! 

Am I being dumb or should the bookies treat customer the same as in a casino by having a registration to be allowed in? 

Fuck the fobts 

 

Tom

I think high stakes or not there should be some form of membership system in place. The tools they have in place to protect players obviously just don't work

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I think that for someone to play on a FOBT you should have a membership card which is universal for all FOBT's. You go in, sign up and set limits like you would with an online casino - if you ever want to increase those limits then you speak to the person behind the counter and it would take a week to apply while reductions could be done on the FOBT itself.

Exclusion means you handover your card and you can't use the FOBT's anymore and exclusion is a one time deal - you exclude and that's it.

At the moment, I'm excluded from the bookies and am happy with that as I have no issues with online gaming due to my limits etc.

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1 minute ago, Legendary Hamster said:

I think that for someone to play on a FOBT you should have a membership card which is universal for all FOBT's. You go in, sign up and set limits like you would with an online casino - if you ever want to increase those limits then you speak to the person behind the counter and it would take a week to apply while reductions could be done on the FOBT itself.

Exclusion means you handover your card and you can't use the FOBT's anymore and exclusion is a one time deal - you exclude and that's it.

At the moment, I'm excluded from the bookies and am happy with that as I have no issues with online gaming due to my limits etc.

It wouldn't take long to brainstorm some ideas and I think come out with something that players and everyone could be happy with but until they are forced to do it then bookies won't be in a rush as they know it will make a dent in their profits 

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16 minutes ago, Rocknrolla said:

It wouldn't take long to brainstorm some ideas and I think come out with something that players and everyone could be happy with but until they are forced to do it then bookies won't be in a rush as they know it will make a dent in their profits 

And sadly gamblers aren't the type to vote with their feet... 

Problem remains that gambling addiction is still seen as being 'your own fault' by too many people still - I've had many a heated debate with so called liberal types who think that there is no such thing as a gambling addiction and even when you tell them about your real 'actual' experiences vs. their anecdotal stories and ideas they view you with extreme scepticism.

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3 hours ago, Legendary Hamster said:

I think that for someone to play on a FOBT you should have a membership card which is universal for all FOBT's. You go in, sign up and set limits like you would with an online casino - if you ever want to increase those limits then you speak to the person behind the counter and it would take a week to apply while reductions could be done on the FOBT itself.

Exclusion means you handover your card and you can't use the FOBT's anymore and exclusion is a one time deal - you exclude and that's it.

At the moment, I'm excluded from the bookies and am happy with that as I have no issues with online gaming due to my limits etc.

I like the membership and setting limits too, I don't play FOBT's,never have but it's the reason I am here in a way. Around 6 months or so ago I had to help out a friend who had spunked his wages and savings on the damn things so I researched them and come across stop and step on YouTube, then there's related videos which brought me to all the casino streaming which I love to watch having played them myself for a few years on and off. Can never understand the fascination tbh with fobt's and as soon as they leave the high street the better,I mean £500 max wins wtf..also whenever I watch people online playing them they always seem nervous,as if they know they are having their pants down. 

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On 27/02/2018 at 10:16 PM, Tom88 said:

High stake sessions should require some sort of vetting system and membership before being able to spend a shit load of money. I have self excluded myself from the Ladbrokes near to where I work twice via gamble aware and by filling in the self exclusion form yet I walk in just last week a blow 2.5k! But Im told it’s a voluntary exclusion - what the fuck does that even mean! 

Am I being dumb or should the bookies treat customer the same as in a casino by having a registration to be allowed in? 

Fuck the fobts 

 

Tom

If it makes you feel any better Tom I’ve also skunked all my Cheltenham money and more in them dam things today . They should never have been allowed on the high street in the first place. 

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I have a friend that self excluded from every local bookmaker. He tried to enter and was refused entry several times after excluding, a few times when there were strangers behind the counter he was successful in gambling in the shops he had excluded from. After a few months his fobt addiction had gripped him again, but his attempts at gambling in the local shops were being blocked everytime. He started going to the next town to gamble where he wasn't excluded.  So the whole exclusion thing, kind of works, but it doesn't fix anything. I don't think it should be viewed as a fix or a solution, it should go alongside seeking professional help for what is a serious problem. He never sought any help, he took the view that the self exclusion should stop him, even if he went out of his way to get around it. I don't agree with that mentality. the bookmakers I visit are largely staffed by students that never seem to last too long, are we expecting them to have the expertise in dealing with someone with a gambling problem? Should we expect them to have a duty of care? I don't think so. 

 

I have never played the FOBTs in the bookmakers personally, however I have played slots and casino games quite frequently online on the same bookmakers websites. Maybe it is a misconception on my behalf, but I rather go on Ladbrokes or PaddyPowers etc as opposed to some of the big popular slots sites as from my experience they are far more reputable companies. They have actual customer support you can phone, or you can even visit a shop for some queries and the withdrawal times are brilliant. Thats not to say they are saintly companies the one thing I will say, their promotional activities with the FOBTs in shop should be majorly looked at, I do not think it is healthy for them to try encourage people to play on them via free play, tournaments etc. 

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