Guest centipede Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: The slot providers don't pay a penny, they make a slot and then the casino host it on their platform. You then make a spin of £2 and lose and then make a spin of £2 and win a £1000, the provider got 5p for each of those spins, the outcome is not there problem, so basically they win whatever happens, its the casino that take the gamble of trying to win your deposit. Ah ok. Learn something new everyday. I would still be very dubious about that win being cancelled on the slots rtp though by the sound of it. Call me a pessimist if you will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, centipede said: Ah ok. Learn something new everyday. I would still be very dubious about that win being cancelled on the slots rtp though by the sound of it. Call me a pessimist if you will Don't get me wrong I feel like Iv just paid for the Managers holiday this year but I think it does get voided or they would be essentially free rolling with the players deposit! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 In fact, @JackSparks, what does happen in these circumstances as I know you sometimes reserve the right to limit the cashout to 10 times the bonus if theres no deposit attached, where does the extra money go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest centipede Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: Don't get me wrong I feel like Iv just paid for the Managers holiday this year but I think it does get voided or they would be essentially free rolling with the players deposit! And as a casino, that would be the dream scenario! How about this, they void the winnings from the account, and transfer the voided 'winnings into an account with a different name, the slot thinks it's paid out a win towards the rtp and the casino all of a sudden has 'money' in an account for a rainy day, or to help them if someone else wins big. I mean, what incentive does the casino have to actually void it off the rtp? None! Edited February 15, 2019 by centipede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubyslippers Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Brutal Mrhack , its a shame they did not have a poker room so you could of chip dumped the "access" winninging to a friend in hu poker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, centipede said: I mean, what incentive does the casino have to actually void it off the rtp? None! The incentive of not getting fined millions of pounds by the UKGC, remember all casino's that serve us brits have the hardest time sticking to the rules and regs, we really do have the best authority in the world! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest centipede Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 But its 'won' money? It's something that I'm guessing could be very easily hidden? If I was a casino manager I'd be up to all sorts Where can I see something official from a casino that's states how much money was won and then cancelled from a slots rtp? I presume there must be something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest centipede Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) Think of how many casinos struggle, and go out of business before another one pops up, and think how good that 6k would be to them sitting on a freefall. There's more incentive there for me to keep it in my company to keep me afloat than there is for me to cancel it. I mean, if you get fined by the ukgc you just shut up shop and open up another business. It happens a lot in general businesses Edited February 15, 2019 by centipede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest centipede Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Maybe thats why they whipped it out of your balance so fast, like 'we'll be having that' thanks for playing! Maybe I'm being a little bit sceptical, but I don't think casinos make it easy for us to believe them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poker Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: In fact, @JackSparks, what does happen in these circumstances as I know you sometimes reserve the right to limit the cashout to 10 times the bonus if theres no deposit attached, where does the extra money go? Not to @Rocknrolla 's never ending pit of lotto wins for us, that's for sure!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player1173 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 4 hours ago, MrUKHackz said: So this hideous, odious, vile story happened last night and I still feel sick now, I'd rather not share it but it deserves to be told, so here goes... I get a letter from Slot Crazy offering a Valentines bonus of 100% up to £100, I'm due a win on this site and Iv played there for donkeys years, it's one of the sites I got my Dead or Alive wildline on so it will always have a small soft spot with me even though its a dreaded Cassava site! I take the bonus and decide Rhino is due, after exhausting my £100 cash and no joy I move onto Montezuma with the £100 bonus money and hit the bonus below on a £3 spin. I now have just over a grand, 6k to wager and the maximum cash out is £500, I'm aware of this clause that they added so I'm careful to not play Dead or Alive just incase a freak win drops in, however I stupidly decide that DHV is the best bet to get the wagering done while losing some of that balance in the hope of a £500 cash out. Then this happened below So I now have a 2.5k balance and then this happens almost straight after and the bet is now £4 All told I got to 6k and beat the wager, the balance then changed to £500 the next spin, sat here in a daze I thought Id have 2x £50 spins on roulette, I lost both, I then went on Casumo and blew the other £400 chasing something, what I was chasing I don't know but Iv never felt so tilted in my life seeing a balance that big, that was my biggest win to date by a huge margin and I didn't even get to keep it Thanks for reading That is just brutal mate! It makes me question the randomness of the slots to be honest. Its almost like the casino knows you are playing with a bonus with a cashout restriction. Unless its an epic 1x wagering or something I never deposit with a bonus personally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyrightmeow Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 4 hours ago, MrUKHackz said: So this hideous, odious, vile story happened last night and I still feel sick now, I'd rather not share it but it deserves to be told, so here goes... I get a letter from Slot Crazy offering a Valentines bonus of 100% up to £100, I'm due a win on this site and Iv played there for donkeys years, it's one of the sites I got my Dead or Alive wildline on so it will always have a small soft spot with me even though its a dreaded Cassava site! I take the bonus and decide Rhino is due, after exhausting my £100 cash and no joy I move onto Montezuma with the £100 bonus money and hit the bonus below on a £3 spin. I now have just over a grand, 6k to wager and the maximum cash out is £500, I'm aware of this clause that they added so I'm careful to not play Dead or Alive just incase a freak win drops in, however I stupidly decide that DHV is the best bet to get the wagering done while losing some of that balance in the hope of a £500 cash out. Then this happened below So I now have a 2.5k balance and then this happens almost straight after and the bet is now £4 All told I got to 6k and beat the wager, the balance then changed to £500 the next spin, sat here in a daze I thought Id have 2x £50 spins on roulette, I lost both, I then went on Casumo and blew the other £400 chasing something, what I was chasing I don't know but Iv never felt so tilted in my life seeing a balance that big, that was my biggest win to date by a huge margin and I didn't even get to keep it Thanks for reading Damn mate really sad story...Never ever take bonus with max. cashout, fuck that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CherryPi Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 I'm sure it happened for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 4 hours ago, centipede said: personally I think this is shady business I am inclined to agree with you here....what if the casino does this in order to make a profit from legitimate winnings,that are then denied ,and not put back into the RTP pool .....surely thats very evil indeed. And if also this is only one of the devices they use to lower the actual return to player so that the percentage is much lower !! It stinks !! Commisserations to @MrUKHackz !! You were right when you said they were shady !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBingoKingx Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 13 hours ago, MrUKHackz said: The incentive of not getting fined millions of pounds by the UKGC, remember all casino's that serve us brits have the hardest time sticking to the rules and regs, we really do have the best authority in the world! Believe me - they are probably gonna update our Dutch Gambling Law (which hasnt been updated in like 40 years, hence online gambling is officially still prohibited) - which is basically a joke. Ridiculous ideas in that law, then you Brits have something to laugh at on topic, im so bloody sorry mate. Thats exactly why i dont dare to take a bonus on a site that has a max cashout i hope so much better for you next time matey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryans_slots Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 17 hours ago, MrUKHackz said: So this hideous, odious, vile story happened last night and I still feel sick now, I'd rather not share it but it deserves to be told, so here goes... I get a letter from Slot Crazy offering a Valentines bonus of 100% up to £100, I'm due a win on this site and Iv played there for donkeys years, it's one of the sites I got my Dead or Alive wildline on so it will always have a small soft spot with me even though its a dreaded Cassava site! I take the bonus and decide Rhino is due, after exhausting my £100 cash and no joy I move onto Montezuma with the £100 bonus money and hit the bonus below on a £3 spin. I now have just over a grand, 6k to wager and the maximum cash out is £500, I'm aware of this clause that they added so I'm careful to not play Dead or Alive just incase a freak win drops in, however I stupidly decide that DHV is the best bet to get the wagering done while losing some of that balance in the hope of a £500 cash out. Then this happened below So I now have a 2.5k balance and then this happens almost straight after and the bet is now £4 All told I got to 6k and beat the wager, the balance then changed to £500 the next spin, sat here in a daze I thought Id have 2x £50 spins on roulette, I lost both, I then went on Casumo and blew the other £400 chasing something, what I was chasing I don't know but Iv never felt so tilted in my life seeing a balance that big, that was my biggest win to date by a huge margin and I didn't even get to keep it Thanks for reading I'd always avoid max cashouts casinos especially them shit amounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JackSparks Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 On 15/02/2019 at 18:40, MrUKHackz said: In fact, @JackSparks, what does happen in these circumstances as I know you sometimes reserve the right to limit the cashout to 10 times the bonus if theres no deposit attached, where does the extra money go? Morning mate, The extra money isn't really extra to the casino so it doesn't go anywhere. On your p/l for the day, you would have been 6k and the casino -6k. As it stands they removed 5.5k so they were -500 an you +500. No extra money for the casino for the Christmas party, just a smaller loss on your action. I hope that makes sense, for what it's worth 21 don't believe in capping deposit bonuses, not a nice practice. But that's our companies stance. In the interest of transparency , as i,m sure most of you know - we do cap all no deposit bonuses however. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poker Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, JackSparks said: Morning mate, The extra money isn't really extra to the casino so it doesn't go anywhere. On your p/l for the day, you would have been 6k and the casino -6k. As it stands they removed 5.5k so they were -500 an you +500. No extra money for the casino for the Christmas party, just a smaller loss on your action. I hope that makes sense, for what it's worth 21 don't believe in capping deposit bonuses, not a nice practice. But that's our companies stance. In the interest of transparency , as i,m sure most of you know - we do cap all no deposit bonuses however. I do not think there are that many casinos, left in the business, that do not cap deposit bonuses Jack, so 21c not doing it, is very unicorn like!!! Hows the weather on the isle today, hear its going to hit high 60s on Tuesday! Did anyone get clobbered in the Valletta bank issue, that you know there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSparks Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 On 18/02/2019 at 08:30, Poker said: I do not think there are that many casinos, left in the business, that do not cap deposit bonuses Jack, so 21c not doing it, is very unicorn like!!! Hows the weather on the isle today, hear its going to hit high 60s on Tuesday! Did anyone get clobbered in the Valletta bank issue, that you know there? We try our best, the whole industry is getting squeezed though so it's not surprise a lot of outfits are lessening concessions for players. We have ourselves had to cut back on some bonusing but insist on staying as fair and generous as we can. I know when a player loses a deposit they feel the full loss in their pocket, and assume the casino now have it, but the truth is operating margins are low, and getting squeezed even more these days. Players loving high RTP games mixed with tax increases or coming into force in other countries means something has to give. If anyone ever reads the publicly traded casino's quarterly reports you can see why things are being tightened up on. As for the Bank Of Valletta heist - luckily not. I don't have an account with them either so i'm safe. The weather... I'd know more if i was ever outside of the office - spring is in the air though, a solid 22 degrees last week and sun shining on my drive in every morning. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKP Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Makes me sick To a lesser extent Billy Hills gave me £2 free play on thier Subbuteo slot a while back. I saw the cap on winnings was £25 quid with 50x wagering (I think) bonused first spin for 100 quid, was guaranteed the 25 quid after wagering, unfortunately the thing bonused 3 more times leaving me with 600 odd quid before clearing wagering and going back to £25 quid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBingoKingx Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Well i still think 21 casino is not all too well (extremely slow cashouts and for what ive encountered unfriendly staff) but the not capping of bonuses is good. Wondering now what rules and legislations we will get now us dutchies are officially going to be allowed to gamble online (we already do it anyways) in 2020. Will probably be one big joke. They wanna tax us 30,1% on all profits above €449 won online! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangers Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Sickening man, don't think I've took a bonus in my life, I just see so may times a game play very differently when people do, and you end up tied into some legal bollocks regarding withdrawals or cashouts that end up biting you on the arse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e_abrams Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 I am so sorry that happened, I can imagine how upsetting it must have been for you. When did it happen, if you don't mind me asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casumo Andy Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 At least you dropped the £400 raw at a good casino that has no MAX cashout on awarded bonuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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