Solario333 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 2 hours ago, MrUKHackz said: A slot is literally a RNG which then displays the result in it's graphic form, no AI is used as they are heavily audited and make so much money without cheating they would never risk losing it all for a few more dollars. I don't believe random number generators are playing fair. I believe there are subroutines which load algorythms into the mathematics which tailor the results according to a program , different for each individual . The auditing is much the same as in all business ,its not always true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted November 26 Author Share Posted November 26 53 minutes ago, Solario333 said: I don't believe random number generators are playing fair. I believe there are subroutines which load algorythms into the mathematics which tailor the results according to a program , different for each individual . The auditing is much the same as in all business ,its not always true. But the slot provider only stands to lose if they did that, remember the providers make the game and sell the game, that's it, its the casino that take your wager. Only the casino would stand to win by cheating/rigging games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 9 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: But the slot provider only stands to lose if they did that, remember the providers make the game and sell the game, that's it, its the casino that take your wager. Only the casino would stand to win by cheating/rigging games. not if they share offshore bank accounts owned by mickey mouse etc … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrUKHackz Posted November 26 Author Share Posted November 26 2 minutes ago, Solario333 said: not if they share offshore bank accounts owned by mickey mouse etc … That would be quite the conspiracy... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyrightmeow Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 14 minutes ago, Solario333 said: not if they share offshore bank accounts owned by mickey mouse etc … 10 minutes ago, MrUKHackz said: That would be quite the conspiracy... There are hundreds if not thousands of online casinos. Could you imagine how many people would need to be involved in something like that. Just because of that, for someone to not leak something at some point is pretty much 0% probability. There is a bigger chance Paul is a Pokemon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 1 hour ago, crazyrightmeow said: There are hundreds if not thousands of online casinos. Could you imagine how many people would need to be involved in something like that. Just because of that, for someone to not leak something at some point is pretty much 0% probability. There is a bigger chance Paul is a Pokemon. yes obviously its not all the online casinos , but enough to make a difference to the UK players. Its a cartel . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chair Slots Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 3 hours ago, Solario333 said: I don't believe random number generators are playing fair. I believe there are subroutines which load algorythms into the mathematics which tailor the results according to a program , different for each individual . The auditing is much the same as in all business ,its not always true. Have a look at the difference between random and pseudorandom. That may go somewhere towards the answer you’re looking for or at least explain a little further with what you’re suggesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 13 hours ago, Chair Slots said: Have a look at the difference between random and pseudorandom. That may go somewhere towards the answer you’re looking for or at least explain a little further with what you’re suggesting. It’s not possible to be explicit on this page or the thought police will be after me . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 48 minutes ago, Solario333 said: It’s not possible to be explicit on this page or the thought police will be after me . Speak your mind Doug, we’re not quite at the Orwellian stage yet, they’ll probably discuss it in private groups anyway. Im with you on this, I simply do not trust RTP or anything else they convince us is above board frankly.. greed is always in the hearts and minds of these operators regardless of the vast sums of money earned. I haven’t played computer blackjack in quite some time as I personally feel it’s rigged, the regularity the dealer has of turning 20 or BJ is astounding. Sometimes you just have to go with a gut feeling that something isn’t quite right and walk away. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Blacko said: Speak your mind Doug, we’re not quite at the Orwellian stage yet, they’ll probably discuss it in private groups anyway. Im with you on this, I simply do not trust RTP or anything else they convince us is above board frankly.. greed is always in the hearts and minds of these operators regardless of the vast sums of money earned. I haven’t played computer blackjack in quite some time as I personally feel it’s rigged, the regularity the dealer has of turning 20 or BJ is astounding. Sometimes you just have to go with a gut feeling that something isn’t quite right and walk away. I can't speak for the slots, but I played online poker a lot many years ago. I don't think anybody could convince me that those games were not rigged. Edited November 27 by david1111 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 1 hour ago, Solario333 said: It’s not possible to be explicit on this page or the thought police will be after me . You have my respect and I would imagine most others. Speak your mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chair Slots Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 22 minutes ago, david1111 said: You have my respect and I would imagine most others. Speak your mind I thought he was joking tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 39 minutes ago, david1111 said: I can't speak for the slots, but I played online poker a lot many years ago. I don't think anybody could convince me that those games were not rigged. A lot of today’s games are designed towards the mug punter, the shit for brains like myself. Live games such as lightning roulette, mega roulette, monopoly live, crazy time are there purely for short term play.. light entertainment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 4 minutes ago, Chair Slots said: I thought he was joking tbh Yeah maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 3 minutes ago, Blacko said: A lot of today’s games are designed towards the mug punter, the shit for brains like myself. Live games such as lightning roulette, mega roulette, monopoly live, crazy time are there purely for short term play.. light entertainment. Yeah, someone playing with limited funds runs out of cash pretty quickly with no chance to win it back. The high rollers are different. They can continue with bonus buy after bonus buy until one hits big which it inevitably will at some point. It's out of my league completely 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 2 minutes ago, david1111 said: Yeah, someone playing with limited funds runs out of cash pretty quickly with no chance to win it back. The high rollers are different. They can continue with bonus buy after bonus buy until one hits big which it inevitably will at some point. It's out of my league completely I don’t know what kind of deals these punters have with their casino employees and neither do I care. It must be an easy shift bonus buying from funds provided by whichever Curaçao based outfit offers the most lucrative golden handshake. It’s easy money my Yorkshire friend, no risk involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 6 minutes ago, Blacko said: I don’t know what kind of deals these punters have with their casino employees and neither do I care. It must be an easy shift bonus buying from funds provided by whichever Curaçao based outfit offers the most lucrative golden handshake. It’s easy money my Yorkshire friend, no risk involved. Aye lad. Great work if you can get it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyrightmeow Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 1 hour ago, david1111 said: Yeah, someone playing with limited funds runs out of cash pretty quickly with no chance to win it back. The high rollers are different. They can continue with bonus buy after bonus buy until one hits big which it inevitably will at some point. It's out of my league completely No "normal" person can mate. You have to buy super bonuses that are usually in the 400+ buy range on the 20p stakes. And you "have to" buy those to even have a potential to win it big. Playing base game these days is waste of time and no fun at all, since you already know that you will get the shitty bonus anyway. There are hacksaw games that you still have potential to win big with the 3-5x the stake "boost" bet in base game but even that you are already on a much bigger stake than before. Since these super bonus buys came about it destroyed the whole gambling experience for most of the gamblers, because you cannot really win big anymore on 99% of the slots without buying them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 1 hour ago, crazyrightmeow said: No "normal" person can mate. You have to buy super bonuses that are usually in the 400+ buy range on the 20p stakes. And you "have to" buy those to even have a potential to win it big. Playing base game these days is waste of time and no fun at all, since you already know that you will get the shitty bonus anyway. There are hacksaw games that you still have potential to win big with the 3-5x the stake "boost" bet in base game but even that you are already on a much bigger stake than before. Since these super bonus buys came about it destroyed the whole gambling experience for most of the gamblers, because you cannot really win big anymore on 99% of the slots without buying them. I’ve seen sense now but the amount of standard €16 bonuses I bought on mental must have been in double figures, I thought at some point it would pay big. Maybe once or twice it upgraded to the top bonus and paid fuck all every time. Only casino shills such as the golfer are able to purchase the top bonus with the unlimited credits he receives. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 2 minutes ago, Blacko said: I’ve seen sense now but the amount of standard €16 bonuses I bought on mental must have been in double figures, I thought at some point it would pay big. Maybe once or twice it upgraded to the top bonus and paid fuck all every time. Only casino shills such as the golfer are able to purchase the top bonus with the unlimited credits he receives. your money is real . who knows how money comes into the hands of those who work for the casino , or even if some are real people !! How often does the bonus money rum into the Cap when awarded byn the casino ?? What happens to the residual amount ?? Who can verify the winners of a jackpot ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 6 minutes ago, Solario333 said: your money is real . who knows how money comes into the hands of those who work for the casino , or even if some are real people !! How often does the bonus money rum into the Cap when awarded byn the casino ?? What happens to the residual amount ?? Who can verify the winners of a jackpot ?? I've seen several max wins in the past. I would imagine the deal these streamers are on and the amount of new sign ups they get will probably far outweigh the bonus win. It's a you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 Imagine i am a large on line casino I pay 40 people , off payroll, on VPN , to play 20k per day each , only applying 10.00 per spin or equivalent . So 800k per day is spun at the higher values . imagine that i have 500,000 players per week all spinning 1-5 euros a spin , and 10,000 spinning 5 euros and above . How would the overall RNG be affected if the servers were instructed to favour my 40 players ?? The favour would involve aghost server that reroutes winniong spins from the many and transfers it to the 40 players in a nansecond . No record is visible , no obvious sign that rules are broken …. The players only notice a slight difference in the speed of a spin …. and sometimes the game reloads due to a Technical error… especially roulette . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyrightmeow Posted November 27 Share Posted November 27 1 hour ago, Blacko said: I’ve seen sense now but the amount of standard €16 bonuses I bought on mental must have been in double figures, I thought at some point it would pay big. Maybe once or twice it upgraded to the top bonus and paid fuck all every time. Only casino shills such as the golfer are able to purchase the top bonus with the unlimited credits he receives. Very volatile slots these days. I know all about not winning huge on bonus buys mate, it is sick. You just have to get into a mindset of "If I will play slots, I will 99.9% lose the money" and not getting your hopes up ever when you play. At least that is what I am trying to do now. Or just not play at all which is obviously the best idea. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chair Slots Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 17 hours ago, Solario333 said: Imagine i am a large on line casino I pay 40 people , off payroll, on VPN , to play 20k per day each , only applying 10.00 per spin or equivalent . So 800k per day is spun at the higher values . imagine that i have 500,000 players per week all spinning 1-5 euros a spin , and 10,000 spinning 5 euros and above . How would the overall RNG be affected if the servers were instructed to favour my 40 players ?? The favour would involve aghost server that reroutes winniong spins from the many and transfers it to the 40 players in a nansecond . No record is visible , no obvious sign that rules are broken …. The players only notice a slight difference in the speed of a spin …. and sometimes the game reloads due to a Technical error… especially roulette . Bit confused by this. Surely you know online slots are not compensated, therefore they are not affected by any previous play; either by you or by others. The premise of other players' random results taking RTP away from your random results is not something I can really get my head around. Nor can a specific server act in favour, or against someone. Unless I'm missing something blindingly obvious it just doesn't work this way. And if you have even the slightest suspicion something like this is going on, I'd suggest you pack in your tinkering altogether and do something else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solario333 Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 11 hours ago, Chair Slots said: Bit confused by this. Surely you know online slots are not compensated, therefore they are not affected by any previous play; either by you or by others. The premise of other players' random results taking RTP away from your random results is not something I can really get my head around. Nor can a specific server act in favour, or against someone. Unless I'm missing something blindingly obvious it just doesn't work this way. And if you have even the slightest suspicion something like this is going on, I'd suggest you pack in your tinkering altogether and do something else. i hardly think we as individuals will be privy to the technology that is available to these giant casino operations that can use an abundance of AI software to package any playing experience and the outcome to the nearest penny . They are hardly going to advertise the crooked nature of current server technology . and as you have stated it has been 2 years since i played an online slot . Tinkering is no more , sadly . It has been killed by unscrupulous criminal elements with plenty of cash and the means to silence anyone permanently . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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