Blacko Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Thought I would open a thread on this seeing the 5 of us who remain on here like a debate and a grumble. I think people are generally fucked off with all politics across the UK and I see this election having a poor turnout of voters ( having to bring along photo ID being a factor ),So moan like fuck if you feel the need to. What change does the average Brit want?, migration concerns, cost of living etc.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted June 27 Author Share Posted June 27 Think I’ve decided who I’m voting for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Guests Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Shes got my vote 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 hour ago, Blacko said: Thought I would open a thread on this seeing the 5 of us who remain on here like a debate and a grumble. I think people are generally fucked off with all politics across the UK and I see this election having a poor turnout of voters ( having to bring along photo ID being a factor ),So moan like fuck if you feel the need to. What change does the average Brit want?, migration concerns, cost of living etc.. This is the first time I won't be voting as I just see them all as liars and cheats who are all too self absorbed. Makes me laugh at Farage spouting let's make britain great again. That ship has sailed mate, too late. I also think the turn out will be low as the result is already a forgone conclusion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacko Posted June 27 Author Share Posted June 27 11 minutes ago, david1111 said: This is the first time I won't be voting as I just see them all as liars and cheats who are all too self absorbed. Makes me laugh at Farage spouting let's make britain great again. That ship has sailed mate, too late. I also think the turn out will be low as the result is already a forgone conclusion Yeah it’s easy telling everyone what they want to hear when you know it’s unlikely you will ever be voted into power. I do agree with Farage on a lot of what he says but it’s all highly impractical, you can see how he’s buddy’s with Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 19 minutes ago, Blacko said: Yeah it’s easy telling everyone what they want to hear when you know it’s unlikely you will ever be voted into power. I do agree with Farage on a lot of what he says but it’s all highly impractical, you can see how he’s buddy’s with Trump. Yeah, Farage has always been a good debater and canvaser so people do listen to him, but I take it all with a pinch of salt as nothing ever changes and it's never their fault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, david1111 said: Yeah, Farage has always been a good debater and canvaser so people do listen to him, but I take it all with a pinch of salt as nothing ever changes and it's never their fault You need to remember that Farage built the support before for Brexit and he was the one that panicked Cameron into the referendum. Politicians live in a closed world despite their protestations to the contrary. Even when the vote was to leave the politicians were doing their best to stay as close to the EU as they could. If you remember as well the bookies were saying that most of the money was for the UK to stay in the EU but what they did not take account of was that they were taking a few five figure bets but lots of smaller 10 and 20 bets on leave and nobody took account of the fact that there were loads of small bets to match the big bets and that each one of those small bets had one vote the same as the guy putting on chunks. Macron has just done the same thing in France by calling the election there after taking a drubbing in the European elections taking the view that people really do not want Marine Le Pen in power because it is son contrary to what the want. The French stock market has lost many billion purely because of one mans arrogance and the likelihood of a split in French society and a likely stalemate when it comes to power. Most European leaders have not come round to the fact that all most of the common people is a bit of their national identity back rather than everything "European" taking precedence It is a bit like that Green candidate who today said that current politicians should face a climate Neuremberg type trial saying Just Stop Oil are showing them the way. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13575371/Green-Party-election-candidate-says-Tories-tried-like-Nazi-war-criminals-climate-Nuremberg.html Guys like this do not understand the burden they are putting on the normal working family due to their policies banning the use of carbon this should not happen until they have an alternative technology that can produce electricity at a rate that people can afford. The modern technology requires so much electric that things would come to a standstill if they got their way and all vehicles were electric not to mention the amount of data processing facilities being built. To be honest I think that although trying to protect from climate change is admirable they way they should be putting funding into technology to combat it and not tax the shit out of people using current methods to make them use less as IMO they will never stop climate change itself all you hear is the "worst on record" this is despite the records they are looking at only cover a few hundred years on a planet that is billions of years old For crying out loud climate change has been going on for the whole period the plant has been in existence. There was once a period of two million years of rain as detailed here In Ireland we have rain for most of the last year and they are blaming it on climate change and I am pretty sure most of the climate change money makers would not appreciate someone with knowledge pointing this stuff out Edited June 27 by philinvicta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Sorry about the long winded post above but there is no football today and there was a rain delay in the cricket ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Slasher McGurk Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 42 minutes ago, philinvicta said: t is a bit like that Green candidate who today said that current politicians should face a climate Neuremberg type trial saying Just Stop Oil are showing them the way. A huge problem over the last couple of decades especially is the traditional left / right, red / blue parties is the public are so disenchanted and disenfranchised with their policies that they have been unable to win elections outright so need coalitions with other parties which often means the Greens. This is true of most of the Western world and they need the Greens to form a government so have to agree to their conditions and they are basically a death cult who won't be happy until we are all back living in mud huts, they love all the deindutrialisation that's killing Europe. Not many people are aware of this but there was a 10 year clause in the Brexit negotiations where we are on the hook for European debt for 10 years after Brexit so if they are going to kick the table over it's going to be within the next 2 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 I heard the 2 yanks had a face off debate aswell. One can't string a sentence together and the other denies everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Slasher McGurk Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 50 minutes ago, david1111 said: I heard the 2 yanks had a face off debate aswell. One can't string a sentence together and the other denies everything There's money to be made here, that was such a car crash for Biden they have to swap him out and put in someone who can get them back to within a margin where they can rig it again. Bidens popularity is so low it's beyond even the margin of rigging. Who will it be though?, Gavin Newsome, Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton? Whoever it is will shorten in price if you can pick the correct one. Clinton went in from 50/1 to 33/1, Michelle Obama contracted from 18/1 to 14/1 and Newsome went from 10/1 to 6/1 after last nights debate. If the bookies still did decent cash out adjustment based on odds contraction there should already be cash out profit but there is not. Once one of these gets confirmed as Bidens replacement the narrative will begin about the USAs saviour is here and the odds on whoever gets put it should go to a minimum 2/1 if not less as the narrative gets spun. Edited June 28 by Mad Slasher McGurk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Mad Slasher McGurk said: There's money to be made here, that was such a car crash for Biden they have to swap him out and put in someone who can get them back to within a margin where they can rig it again. Bidens popularity is so low it's beyond even the margin of rigging. Who will it be though?, Gavin Newsome, Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton? Whoever it is will shorten in price if you can pick the correct one. Clinton went in from 50/1 to 33/1, Michelle Obama contracted from 18/1 to 14/1 and Newsome went from 10/1 to 6/1. If bookis still did decent cash out adjustment based on odds contraction there should already be cash out profit but there is not. Once one of these gets confirmed as Bidens replacement the narrative will begin about the USAs saviour is here and the odds on whoever gets put it should go to 2/1 if not less as the narrative gets spun. Do you think trump will get back in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Slasher McGurk Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Just now, david1111 said: Do you think trump will get back in If they have an election yes, my concern is they pull some stunt to cancel it, race riots etc. Biden is not even campaigning, they must know he has absolutely no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Just now, Mad Slasher McGurk said: If they have an election yes, my concern is they pull some stunt to cancel it, race riots etc. Biden is not even campaigning, they must know he has absolutely no chance. Nothing would surprise me in America. Biden isn't up to campaigning. Not his fault, he's just too old for such a job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Slasher McGurk Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, david1111 said: Nothing would surprise me in America. Biden isn't up to campaigning. Not his fault, he's just too old for such a job The only reason they are keeping him in place is because he's so easily manilpulated, all he wants is to keep his criminality from catching up with him and as long as he is President that happens. Who is really running the show though, if it's Obama and they swap Biden out for Michelle Obama then that's potentially 5 terms instead of 2. To me the notion of Michelle Obama is riduculous, when you go to the Doctor or the Dentist you want to see the Doctor or the Dentist not their spouse but they have been trialling her popularity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 41 minutes ago, david1111 said: Nothing would surprise me in America. Biden isn't up to campaigning. Not his fault, he's just too old for such a job and Trump is not ? He is 78 now so would be well in to his 80s during the term of office In Europe many of the leaders are getting younger in the states they are getting so old it is madness Edited June 28 by philinvicta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 7 minutes ago, philinvicta said: and Trump is not ? He is 78 now so would be well in to his 80s during the term of office In Europe many of the leaders are getting younger in the states they are getting so old it is madness That's true, but Trump still appears to be able to function whereas Biden doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chair Slots Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Is there even any point in this election? Labour are a shoe-in. If they somehow manage to fuck this up it will go down as the biggest open goal miss in the history of anything!! I don’t know if I can even bring myself to vote this year. It would be like voting for my favourite terminal disease. Mad how Reform are the same odds as Conservative now. THAT is how hated Sunak is. I guess all Reform voters know now that a vote for them is a vote not for getting them into power, but a vote for them to become the official opposition, which would make a very interesting 2029. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 50 minutes ago, david1111 said: That's true, but Trump still appears to be able to function whereas Biden doesn't I agree Biden should have retired and there seems to be more to this than meets the eye but even though Trump seems more able at his age 4 years can see a lot of change in this and once this starts to go it can go quick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chair Slots Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 And on the US election, Biden is finished. The republicans need to get him out TODAY if they want any chance of winning. I bet the old prick couldn’t even withstand a strong wind, never mind the next 4 years in office. Oh, and Trump is a crook, but I’d LOVE to see how he would end the Ukraine war while he was still elect, as he stated he would earlier, in the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david1111 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Chair Slots said: Is there even any point in this election? Labour are a shoe-in. If they somehow manage to fuck this up it will go down as the biggest open goal miss in the history of anything!! I don’t know if I can even bring myself to vote this year. It would be like voting for my favourite terminal disease. Mad how Reform are the same odds as Conservative now. THAT is how hated Sunak is. I guess all Reform voters know now that a vote for them is a vote not for getting them into power, but a vote for them to become the official opposition, which would make a very interesting 2029. From what I heard reforms popularity is waining a bit due to reported comments from some members stating immigrants in boats should be used as target practice. Them sort of comments are grim on any level Edited June 28 by david1111 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chair Slots Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 15 minutes ago, david1111 said: From what I heard reforms popularity is waining a bit due to reported comments from some members stating immigrants in boats should be used as target practice. Them sort of comments are grim on any level Yeah definitely. I don’t think it will be enough to dissuade the politically homeless or hardcore brexiteers though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Slasher McGurk Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 31 minutes ago, Chair Slots said: And on the US election, Biden is finished. The republicans need to get him out TODAY if they want any chance of winning. I bet the old prick couldn’t even withstand a strong wind, never mind the next 4 years in office. Oh, and Trump is a crook, but I’d LOVE to see how he would end the Ukraine war while he was still elect, as he stated he would earlier, in the debate. Trump could end the Ukraine war while President elect and then they would impeach him for it, they tried to do it did it last time, overstepping the mark while only President elect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Slasher McGurk Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 25 minutes ago, david1111 said: From what I heard reforms popularity is waining a bit due to reported comments from some members stating immigrants in boats should be used as target practice. Them sort of comments are grim on any level That's out of order but a pledge to implement fast patrol boats and turn the dingy divers back before they get half way would go down well. We are paying France to stop them at their end and they are doing nothing, that money would be better spent defending the channel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philinvicta Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 21 minutes ago, Mad Slasher McGurk said: That's out of order but a pledge to implement fast patrol boats and turn the dingy divers back before they get half way would go down well. We are paying France to stop them at their end and they are doing nothing, that money would be better spent defending the channel. Sunak said that Labour would get closer ties to Europe and that would mean more free movement . he also said he would stop the boats and to be honest I cannot see more refugees under free movement as there is not room for any more they cannot handle the current amounts coming in. What it needs is more advertising in the countries they are coming from to say do not believe the stories and travel with the people traffickers as you are just coming to live in a tent for the next three years before we deport you if you do not have a valid reason to seek asylum as well as risking your life on the trip. If you have a valid reason then do it through legitimate routes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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