Great stuff guys, lots of constructive points made. I was unfortunate that I had my problems with gambling many years ago when there was only really one place you could go for help (GA) I think over the last ten years the help for problem gamblers is so much better, there's also less of a stigma attached to having this problem than ever before, this is surely a good thing. I don't blame the bookmakers for my problems, even if I could have excluded myself I would of had no problem to carry on gambling in other ways. All the large bookmakers have share holders to please, so their half hearted attempt to appear concerned is maybe morally wrong but not surprising. I share the concerns about id cards just to go into a bookies and place a bet, this would just increase the amount of people gambling more, as sure as fuck by the time you got home their will be 20 messages on your phone/computer from betting companies or casinos wanting you to join. Leave the help for problem gamblers to independent sources and take the bookmakers/casinos out of the equation. Then regulate the fuck out of them, make it so hard and expensive to set a casino up that only a company with deep pockets can afford it, ban offshore casinos, only bookmakers that are register in this country can ply there trade here. If your unfortunate to have a problem with gambling, it really doesn't matter what they do, its what you do that matters. Find your own way to get the best professional help you can, if your waiting for the bookmakers/casinos to do something, may as well wait for hell to freeze over.